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Old July 31st, 2012, 08:00 AM   #11

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The Balkans was the presence of the Ottoman Empire. Faith is the factor contributed to the survival of nations. But here we consider mainly Europe, the Balkans are just an example.
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Old July 31st, 2012, 08:26 AM   #12

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The Balkans is a region and yes they were under Ottoman control. However, I do not see how this is relevant to your OP. The Balkans, if anything, are an example of the darkness that religion can bring when playing such a strong role in a cultural identity.
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Old July 31st, 2012, 08:28 AM   #13

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Sure, Europe will spearhead the world in the upcoming biggest ''religion'' called Atheism.

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We live in a time of government PR campaigns. Mass komunknikatsii and markets have changed not only Christianity but other religions. Atheism is that option?
The story we know is written by winners, respectively, and their kings, priests, etc. Some predict a return to the oldest teachings. I think this is a plausible version of atheism.
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Old July 31st, 2012, 08:47 AM   #14

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Sure, Europe will spearhead the world in the upcoming biggest ''religion'' called Atheism.

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with the mechanics of a dream


We live in a time of government PR campaigns. Mass komunknikatsii and markets have changed not only Christianity but other religions. Atheism is that option?
The story we know is written by winners, respectively, and their kings, priests, etc. Some predict a return to the oldest teachings. I think this is a plausible version of atheism.
I am now completely lost. Perhaps I misread the OP but I read it as you wanting to go "back" to a Europe that is overtly religious. I assume that is Christianity as I do not know of any time where atheism was such an influence for us to go "back" to.
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Old July 31st, 2012, 09:40 AM   #15

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Such trends come and go, if history has any truth in it at all.

True atheists are a rather scarce breed, given what their philosophy or belief requires of them. I would judge the greater majority to be either practicing or quietly religious, or faithful, or humble people who realize there is something greater than themselves. But even atheists generally acknowledge the magnificence and wonder of nature.

The agnostics make up a sizable population, when they can get away with it in a given culture. When they cannot get away with it, they normally conform with whichever religion is dominant in their homeland at the time - and nobody is the wiser.

Major religions can apologize all they wish for their uncountable inhumane, if not murderously criminal, pasts; human memory being what it is, nothing is forgotten.
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Is not it time to return to the faith. Remember terms like morality, honor, respect for the other as to himself.
Faith in the Balkans helped the survival of nations.
Can Europe again be a major factor leading the world with a stronger faith and morals.
The market economy leads to faith only to money. In crisis and lack of money in what we believe?
No, and the day i will take lessons in morals from religion will be the day i become Queen of England.

I've been to Bosnia. I've seen what faith in religion has done. It was this that helped me confirm myself as an Atheist.
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I am now completely lost. Perhaps I misread the OP but I read it as you wanting to go "back" to a Europe that is overtly religious. I assume that is Christianity as I do not know of any time where atheism was such an influence for us to go "back" to.
He copied a part of my post...

What I meant is that right now Europe has a huge number of atheists and their numbers are increasing all over the world.
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Old July 31st, 2012, 10:17 AM   #18

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Human nature is to believe in something. Sometimes you must have to believe even in the wife's mother.
For me, honor, morality and other virtues are not necessarily tied to religion.
The question is how this can be connected with the welfare of me in particular and society?
How this desire from the historical experience would be developed in the future. With dancing as in the appendix below, Zoroaster
or something new or well forgotten old?
/ Excuse me for language i use translator /

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Old July 31st, 2012, 10:30 AM   #19

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Human nature is to believe in something?

How about believing in science and believing in yourself?
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It is understood without being written. Talk about off the field.
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