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Old November 7th, 2012, 06:42 PM   #331
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Hmm...I'm an American, and I have no problem recognizing some of the accomplishments of the Russian(Soviet) people.
That proves that you are a normal person who doesn't have to disparage somebody's accomplishments just to be proud of his own country.
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That's just political to you because you don't understand couple things. Partially because of limitations of English language.
1) There are two terms today: "Russkiy" and "Rossiyanin" both are translated as Russian. However here (former soviet union), Russkiy is an ethnicity and Rossiyanin is a citizen of the Russian Federation. A Tatar who lives in Russia will never call himself a Russkiy he will correct you that he is a Tatar and Rossiyanin.
2) In the same way in the Soviet Union. I am Kazakh and I lived in the Soviet Union. In my passport it was written that I was a citizen of the USSR and my nation was ... Kazakh (in the USSR we did not say "ethnicity", we said "nation"). So I, as well as all my relatives, never called myself Russian. I was a Soviet man.
Not a Soviet Nation. Such think did not exist. At a first opportunity the so called "Soviet Nation" falled apart along the national seams.
The achivements as well as failures of SU belong to The Nations of the Soviet Union, not to not existing "Soviet Nation".

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That proves that you are a normal person who doesn't have to disparage somebody's accomplishments just to be proud of his own country.
Your right, I don't like it when someone just runs off at the mouth towards my country, so I don't like to run my mouth about theirs. So many see some crap on the news and think all the people are just like their government, which is so far from the truth.
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Not a Soviet Nation. Such think did not exist. At a first opportunity the so called "Soviet Nation" falled apart along the national seams.
The achivements as well as failures of SU belong to The Nations of the Soviet Union, not to not existing "Soviet Nation".
Debatable. Perhaps not a nation of one ethnic identity such as Britain or France (are they nations today?) but an entity made up of various states with people of different ethnicity much like the US.

It's a matter of perception.

I've often heard people refer to America as a nation, are they using the term incorrectly? I think not. The USSR was a nation, the Russian Federation when taken together is a nation IMO.

I think the term is used rather loosely.
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Debatable. Perhaps not a nation of one ethnic identity such as Britain or France (are they nations today?) but an entity made up of various states with people of different ethnicity much like the US.

It's a matter of perception.

I've often heard people refer to America as a nation, are they using the term incorrectly? I think not. The USSR was a nation, the Russian Federation when taken together is a nation IMO.

I think the term is used rather loosely.
I will call it Soviet Citizenship, Not a Soviet Nation.
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Not a Soviet Nation. Such think did not exist. At a first opportunity the so called "Soviet Nation" falled apart along the national seams.
The achivements as well as failures of SU belong to The Nations of the Soviet Union, not to not existing "Soviet Nation".
Do you speak/read English?

I didn't say "Soviet nation". I said "Soviet people" -"Советский народ"

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There was a country that was called the Soviet Union and where lived about 250 millions of people of more than 100 ethnicities (in the USSR we said "nations") who considered themselves as soviet people.
What people defeated Nazi Germany? Soviet people
What people launched first rocket to the space? Soviet people
Besides, I emphasized that in Soviet passports and other IDs the term "nation" always meant the ethnicity. RTFM

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In my passport it was written that I was a citizen of the USSR and my nation was ... Kazakh

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I will call it Soviet Citizenship, Not a Soviet Nation.
You had invented nonsense, and then denounced it.
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Azot,
Your post 319 started this discussion.
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an estonian and a polak evaluate a space program!

well the Neanderthals also had a bad opinion of a bow...
So Estonian was not a Soviet person? So what are you talking about? Dffrent opinion for different occasion?

Your post was intended as a slur, not a first time. this is your trademark.


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[quote Azoto] There was a country that was called the Soviet Union and where lived about 250 millions of people of more than 100 ethnicities (in the USSR we said "nations") who considered themselves as soviet people.
Soviet People =Soviet Nation. (советский народ).

Soviet_people Soviet_people

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Soviet People =Soviet Nation. (советский народ).

Soviet people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There was an old soviet joke:

A man says to a militioner (soviet policemen):
- Let me tell you a political anecdote
- ??? Actually I am a policeman...
- OK, I will tell it you twice

So, for especially gifted persons I repeat: In the USSR word "nation" was used for identification of ethnicity ONLY. There was no such a term "Советская нация" -"Soviet Nation". We said "soviet people"

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Azot,
Your post 319 started this discussion.

So Estonian was not a Soviet person? So what are you talking about? Dffrent opinion for different occasion?
If you could understand what you read, you would noticed that I said that Kazakhstan cannot also boast of its space program. Cause Kazakhstan as well as Estonia didn't inherit Soviet space program (though we've got Baikonur and have privileged relationships with RosKosmos).

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