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View Poll Results: Your favorite?
Skanderbeg 22 25.88%
John Hunyadi 10 11.76%
Vlad III the Impaler 35 41.18%
Stephen III of Moldavia 18 21.18%
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Old September 26th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #1

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Your favorite enemy of Mehmed II the Conqueror


This great Ottoman Sultan had 4 great enemies in the Balkans,who had inflicted quite a number of defeats and reversals on him over the decades,and arguably slowed down the march of Ottoman Turkey into Europe.

Who do you like best/find most interesting?
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Old September 26th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #2

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I can't decide between Vlad and Skanderbeg. Good question!
Can you say some more about the other two?
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Old September 26th, 2012, 02:01 PM   #3

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John Hunyadi (or Janos Hunyadi) was a Hungarian nobleman who was a main military figure and a defender of Hungary against Turks from 1441 till 1456,when he died.Several of his successful campaigns in 1440s, but especially his stunning victory at the monumental Siege of Belgrade in 1456,really hurted Ottoman conquering efforts,as well as established his reputation.As the result of the latter victory,Ottoman Turkey was reluctant to attempt a full-blown conquest of Hungary for another 65 years (and Mehmed II just came off fresh from winning Constantinople,and he will go on to complete conquests of Serbia in 1459,and of Trebizond,the last of Byzantine states,in 1461).

Stephen III,the Great,of Moldavia was probably the best general and the greatest military genius of the 4.His land victory at the Battle of Vaslui was,alongside Battle of Angora,the biggest and heaviest Ottoman defeat in the entire 15th century.He also won another monumental victory against one other great historical figure,the greatest Hungarian ruler of the 15th century,Matthias Corvinus,at the Battle of Baia.

All in all,he won 46 out of 48 battles throughout his 47 year-long reign,and managed to stay off conquering ambitions and schemes of 3 powerful neighbours,Ottomans,Hungary and Poland,each of whom was territorially bigger and had a greater population than his own kingdom of Moldavia.

Ironically,he is the least well-known of the 4 nowadays.

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Old September 26th, 2012, 02:07 PM   #4

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My absolute favourite would be Constantine XI, who ruled when Constantinople fell, why's he not in the poll?
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My absolute favourite would be Constantine XI, who ruled when Constantinople fell, why's he not in the poll?
Because he wasnt much of an opponent.

The main condition is to actually be a good opponent,who gave Mehmed some really serious headaches,not merely an opponent.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:31 AM   #6

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I too believe Stefan cel Mare (Stephen the Great) was the best commander the romanians ever had. Better than Michael the Brave in my oppinion. Unfortunately, he was not much of an adversary for Mehmed II. That is because he entered in conflict with the ottomans in 1475, inflicting uppon them the crushing defeat of Podul Inalt - Vaslui, but the next year Mehmed II himself commanded a great army against Stephen and defeated him at Valea Alba.
He could not mentain his conquest and soon after Stephen reconquered all the ground lost, forming another army. But in 81 Mehmed dies, without other major battles being faught.
So, judging from the importance of the results and from the extent of the conflict, Hunyadi is a fare more feared opponent. Aldo i too prefer Stephen as a general. But in the first years of his reign he was more in conflict with the hungarians (wich suted the ottomans quite well)
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I have admired Stephen The Great for a long time for he defended his land from Hungarians, Poles, Golden Horde and yet beside that he managed to defeat the outnumbered Ottomans, it was clear that he could not have lasted forever but he did all that could have been done. After the defeat he retreated and started forming another army, during which time Ottomans couldn't conquer any strongholds and were driven away by smaller attacks.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baia"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baia[/ame]

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lipnic"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lipnic[/ame]

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vaslui"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vaslui[/ame]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Valea_Albă
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Cosmin_Forest"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Cosmin_Forest[/ame]

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Old September 27th, 2012, 01:21 AM   #8

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The weight of evidence says Stephen the Great, but I gotta go with Vlad the Impaler. Vlad scared the crap out of the Turks.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 02:45 AM   #9

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Sorry, but Vlad had no accomplishment that can be put togheter with the other 3 commanders. He had the night attack, he's greatest victory so to say. And he is the one that helped Stephen claim the throne of Moldavia. Without that help Stephen might not have been ruler.
As for the impaling, he is not the one that first used it. He just used it on a different scale. For exemple, impaling the ottoman ambasadors, that might have been a first
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Old September 27th, 2012, 11:15 AM   #10

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My personal classification:

Stefan III
small gap
Skanderberg
medium gap
Vlad III
huge gap
Janos Hunyadi


I admire Stefan III's military skills and command capabilities(Vaslui is one of the greatest battle in Medieval history and a personal favourite)
He was able to adapt himself and his army to fight different opponents:rival Moldavians,Hungarians,Tatars,Ottomans and Poles(with their dinstinctive troops and tactics)
He was also able to give a quite strong sense of national unity to a politically stricken country(most of the Moldavian rulers before him rarely exceed five years of reign and didn't die of natural causes)
Last but not least, during this reign, his country saw a big cultural and artistical development


Skanderbeg is imho the guy(from the four) with the greatest "achievements-initial resources ratio" and therefore one of my favourite characters of Balkan history.
His country was extremely fragmentated and small, therefore Skanderbeg had at his disposal an very circumsribed manpower pool(although this situation changed after he earned himself a "big name").
Considering this, the League of Lezhe was an incredible result and shows Skanderbeg's charisma and confidence over the other Albanian lords.
Despite coming from a backward and rather paltry place(with no offense) he possessed a very broad political mind, not limited to Albania(his utmost objective) but capable of considering Hungarian,Papal and Neapolitan positions with acumen
Moreover, he was able to go all out against the Ottomans while constantly "checking" the slimy Venetians(coming from a Venetian patriot), who sometimes posed a threat even more dangerous that the Turks'.
Skanderbeg was also a master ambusher and great military leader(Torvioll has some similarities with Vaslui,but of course on a smaller scale)
The Albanian prince was also instrumental in the development of Stradioti, a light cavalry unit that played a decisive part in the European warfare up until the middle of the XVI century, almost a century after Scanderbeg's death

@Zeno: I'd say that Constantine was more of a victim than an adversary of Mehmed

By the way, the interesting thing of this thread is that all the 4 enemies of Mehmed is that they are reciprocally linked with each other
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