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Old October 5th, 2012, 11:04 PM   #11

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D-Day was a very difficult operation, against France which is only a couple of hundred miles away....... how hard would a cross Atlantic invasion be by comparison?? Too hard and too much to loose. Wouldnt happen.
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Old October 5th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #12

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America's attitude to Britain in 1940 was not clear. People like FDR were in support but others, like Joseph Kennedy were anti British. Britain out of the war would have solved that problem and America could turn to it's Pacific interests.
How the Empire would have responded is almost geographical. Canada would have considered itself part of the North American continent. Australia/NewZealand was acutely aware of the possible threat of Japanese South East Asia expansion. Being so far way from Britain it would have had to align with American interests as the only option of protection. It is possible that America would have protected Australia, not out of concern for Australia, but it's loss would have robbed America of a useful base.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 10:05 AM   #13

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Originally Posted by Ancientgeezer View Post
Yes, there were such plans for evacuation to Canada which would have included most of the government and whatever components of the fleet that remained. Churchill was determined to stay however and even drew up fanciful plans how he and other portly politicians and civil servants would man machine guns around Downing Street and the Palace of Westminster.
The evacuation of the Royal Family was actually rehearsed at least once with a special train taking them to Madresfield Court in Malvern, Worcester and Pitchford Hall in Shropshire where other exiled monarchs would join them. Britain was well set up for armed resistance to a German Invasion and a subsequent guerilla war with an "underground" government and army already organised, so instant evacuation out of the country was not thought advisable for morale purposes. The Queen and the Princesss and the King's Brothers would have left on seperate warships, with the King leaving last of all, some from Liverpool and the King probably from Belfast.
It is highly unlikely that Britain would have surrendered in the manner of France of Belgium. The model was Poland, where even though the military surrendered, the government remained at war.
The Dominions had all declared war on Germany independently and were unlikely to make peace as long as there was the chance of the USA joining the war.

Besides If IIRC Churchill secretely transported the National treasury of Britain to the Canada, which althaugh a dangerous decision prooved quite beneficial for the Britain.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 10:08 AM   #14
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Might be better for alternative history.
That's a good point IMHO.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #15

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The British government would have fled to Canada and would have continued the war in exile.

But this scenario requires that we assume that Germany could successfully invade Britain, which is really within the realm of fantasy. Operation Sea Lion was a farce. Besides the fact that Britain had naval superiority, even if the Royal Navy were to have vanished Germany did not possess enough troop transports, merchant ships and landing craft to ferry an invasion force across the Channel. Hitler's plans for an invasion of Britain were delusional from the beginning.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 04:10 AM   #16
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If Britain had been invaded it still would have continued the fight against Germany. The British Government would have moved to Canada and continued the war from there.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 11:07 AM   #17

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I would have thought that it would be obvious that the royal family would have been moved to Britain if England were ever in any true danger.

Canada did, after all, accept and care for the Royal Family of Belgium while they were in exile, when Belgium was under Nazi control. If they would support an ally like Belgium, it's obvious they would support Great Britain, who was past 'ally' and closer to 'family'.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 11:12 AM   #18
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Exclamation Canada/Australia in the event Britain was invaded by Germany?

If operation Sea Lion (German landing on the British mainland) would have been carried out, I guess that Britain would have reacted similar to the French when occupied. They would have evacuated all the important figures (Royal Family, Winston Churchill and so on) to Canada or even the small island of Malta. From there the resistance to the Axis powers would have been upheld and organized and led. This would have been a great blow to British war industry and war effort and it would have effected British morale in a very negative way. I am not sure whether the allies would have still won the second World War even with the help of the United States of America.
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Canadian Prime Minister McKenzie King and President Roosevelt actually discussed what use would be made of the Royal Navy ships coming to Canada in 1940-that is historical fact.
Equally, Australia after the fall of Singapore sought increasingly to draw closer military, political and diplomatic links with the USA as it became brutally clear that belegured Britain could do littel to help Australia against thretened Japanese invasion in 1942.
Ne Zealand remained fiercly loyal to Britain and the Royal family and would have done so had Britan fallen in 1940 to the Nazis.
Re Canada the person who expressed doubts about the British government being welcome in Canada is -with respect-talikng nonsense.
Canada had a Governor General ansrable to the British monarch so no issue would havec arisen about the British government coming to Canada except perhaps among pro Vichy French Canadians -who were not ruling Canada during the war.
One worry might have been how the Giovernor-General of the British Bahanmas -the pro- Nazi Duke of Windsor- might have reacted to a Nazi offer to fill the British throne vacated by his Brother George VI. as a Nazi puppet king in Nazi occupied Britain.
Far fetched? -not at al!-l that's exactly why the former Edward VIII and his twice divorced Baltimore American babe, Mrs Simpson , were shipped of to the Bahamas in 1940 from Britain.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 01:11 PM   #20

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It was clear at the outbreak of WW2 that England could not defend Australia in face of the growing threat of Japan - many Australians (lead by the Labor Party) opposed Australia sending troops to Europe/Middle East in 1939 arguing that they were needed at home. They were promptly brought back after Peral harbour, an act Churchill considered bordering on high treason. USA was the only saviour for Australia (and as Churchill privately accepted, for Britain and Europe as well). Furthermore, Australia was the only safe place for a base to launch the counter-attack on Japan.
The problem for Australia of a fall of the United Kingdom would be constitutional - the Head of State is the Governor General, appointed by the British Monarch on the advice of the Australian Prime Minister. Its the GG's signature that makes parliamentary acts legal. If Britain falls and the monarchy and government go into exile and continue the opposition to Germany, no real problem. But if the monarchy is killed and or the government cannot continue in exile, then Australia has a constitutional problem when the encumbant GG dies. Necessity of circumstances would lead to a solution - grab whatever royal you can and make them the direct Australian monarch or perhaps become a republic.
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