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Old November 9th, 2012, 10:20 AM   #341

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I, for one cannot see any other economical system that could give us the current standard of living, than the liberal/free trade capitalism.
me too! but maybe you have it there - we don't. And I'd dare to say EU bigs have no interest to be here yet
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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #342
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I get that. Your country and all the ex communist east europe have been trough a great turmoil and I know it suks to be just a cheap workforce if you know you can be more (that is better than no work still).
I do not like to give any smartass advice to you but here goes anyway: Education,research,entrepreneurship,hard work. Sounds banal, but I really think that is the cure.It would not happend in a year or two though.
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Few examples:
1866-1868 8% of the poulation died of hunger.
16961697 1/3 of the poulation died of hunger.
Until the time of the evil capitalism the soil here supported
1-2 mil. people (poorly). I, for one cannot see any other economical system that could give us the current standard of living, than the liberal/free trade capitalism.
And how much of that is result of simple advances in technology and science (like in medicine)? You know, there are countries around Finland which doubled their population since end of 19th ct and they were not capitalistic. And since they turned to capitalism, life expectancy fell as did reproduction. Is that result of capitalism too?
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Witch countries those would be?
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Witch countries those would be?
Russia and Baltic countries.
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Yeah. Russia: a bit different geographics, wouldnt you say?
Baltic countries: During soviet times? Are you searious?
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:16 PM   #347

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I get that. Your country and all the ex communist east europe have been trough a great turmoil and I know it suks to be just a cheap workforce if you know you can be more (that is better than no work still).
I do not like to give any smartass advice to you but here goes anyway: Education,research,entrepreneurship,hard work. Sounds banal, but I really think that is the cure.It would not happend in a year or two though.
Indeed, smartass, you've said it - I couldn't said better. And you have no ideea what are you talking about. Many here work harder than you, and have better results than many from yours. But not for themselves...Keep that gargle with hard work for yourself, if you don't mind!
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Yeah. Russia: a bit different geographics, wouldnt you say?
You mean aliens live in Russia who breed differently than Fins?

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Baltic countries: During soviet times? Are you searious?
Of course I am:

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Anyway, I asked how much advance in science and technology have to do with fact that living conditions improved in Finland. From your answer I assume you think none?
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Indeed, smartass, you've said it - I couldn't said better. And you have no ideea what are you talking about. Many here work harder than you, and have better results than many from yours. But not for themselves...Keep that gargle with hard work for yourself, if you don't mind!
Exactly, hard work yes. But first we would need to start working for ourselves. Which wont happen as long as we are basically colony.
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Documentary about how Yugoslavia was colonized. Yugoslavia was not under Soviet control. As such was not handled to the West by Gorbatcow like Czechoslovakia or Poland. Colonization had to be done old fashioned way: destroy, divide and conquer. Please notice that takeover of Romania was also more dramatic than other Soviet satellites as Chauchescu also in a way broke from USSR direct control. It however was not as independent on Moscow as Yougoslavia was and Soviets had enough influence there to remove him from power by simple coup and (what basically was) assassination. Events there did not had to go as far as in Yugoslavia.

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