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Old November 6th, 2012, 11:08 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Sumrbrez View Post
Are you talking about the Norwegian vikings or the Rus? They are as different as night and day. The Rus never fell or failed in anything they did. They dominated the peoples they came into contact with. In the end they were overwhelmed by the far greater numbers of other peoples around them and eventually merged with them. New information coming out suggests that many returned to Sweden or were planning to. This is proven by the huge number of Persian silver coin caches that have been discovered. Most of them close to the Baltic sea. The latest find is one found on the east coast of Sweden in 2006. 260,000 silver coins in one cache. A smaller # in another cache.

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Frankly I think the successful ones stuck around over in the Russian lands. What happened was the same as how it went down for instance in Normandy. They married locally. The second generation kids still had Scandinavian names, the third no longer did. The language might have stuck around as a secondary language longer, but inside two generations they had changed their religion and frankly, why not? Old One-Eye wasn't the most benevolent of dieties to begin with.
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"Successful ones"? 260,000 silver coins buried on the east coast of Sweden is not "successful"? Probably worth over a million dollars in the currency of that time. Hmm. Not sure of that.

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Originally Posted by DominusHistoriae View Post
I just want to get more up to date on my Scandinavian and Viking history, so, why did the Vikings fall?
Two words - convents and monasteries. Those were there main targets. Seriously, vikings are always portrayed as awesome warriors but at the end they just attacked helpless people most of the time.

Also one of the reasons they no longer exist is because of the Christianity. It changed them.

There is a story on how the king of France bribed the King of Norway to accept Christianity.

"Accept Christianity and I shall give you my daughter as a wife and also I will recognize Normandy as your domain and will no longer try to take it back even tho it is annoying that you have it and I don't"

Pretty much what the king of France said.
Just to point out that Norway already had possession of Normandy it is just that the French promised not to try to take it back.

I am not sure how that's story is true, it is more like a legend actually.
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Viking is a verb is it not? To go viking. Meaning to go raiding. They stopped this around 1100 AD IIRC. This does coincide with their conversion to Christianity.
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The vikings didn't 'fail'. Their raids turned into campaigns where huge regions came under their influence. Many Scandinavian historians regard the Battle of Hastings as the last great viking raid on England, where the entire country was seen as booty to be divided up. Cnut the Great had already been a king of England, Denmark, Norway and parts of Sweden, gained concessions from the Pope and attended the coronation of the Holy Roman Emperor. They simply became more identifiable with state politics rather than raiding.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 10:15 AM   #16

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Viking is a verb is it not? To go viking. Meaning to go raiding. They stopped this around 1100 AD IIRC. This does coincide with their conversion to Christianity.
I find it rather funny that so many people think that viking is a noun that now it has to be considered one by reason of public usage despite it having the same grammar as our language. The noun for someone who goes viking being "vikingr", which sounds the same way it would in English, just as someone who goes raiding is a raider, not a Raiding.
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I would say by now it qualifies as a noun, through common usage.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:33 AM   #18
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Some uses of the term viking on the runestones:

eR drngiaR waRu w[ia] [un]esiR i wikingu
These valiant men were widely renowned on viking raids

s nor war dr i wikingu
who died in the north on a viking raid

Sa var daur a vestrvegum i vikingu
He died on a Viking raid on the western route

Toki vikingR, risti stin ftiR Gunnar, sun Grims
Tki the Viking, raised the stone in memory of Gunnarr, Grmr's son

Hann var [v]estr farinn me vikingum
He travelled to the west with the Vikings

SaR vaR vikinga vorr me Giti(?)
He was the viking watch with Geitir(?)

g 8:
Sa fioll austr me ivisli. VikingR fai ok GrimulfR
He fell in the east with Eivsl. Vkingr coloured and Grmulfr.
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I miss the old language
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Originally Posted by Hresvelgr View Post
despite it having the same grammar as our language.
Old Norse does not have the same grammar as modern english and does not have standard spelling. The Younger Futhark only has 16 runic characters and the carved kunuur spells the name Gunvor, despite the fact that there is no G or V runic character. The runic equivalent of wikingu in DR334 above is uikiku.
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