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Old November 5th, 2012, 07:03 AM   #1

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Fall of the Vikings


I just want to get more up to date on my Scandinavian and Viking history, so, why did the Vikings fall?
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Old November 5th, 2012, 07:06 AM   #2

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Times changed and they changed with them. Its noticeable in elements of thier literature, various Sagas. While the warrior ethos is still seen as relatively noble, by the 12-14th Centuries it comes off as a bit anachronistic and limited. Commerce has its rewards.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 07:33 AM   #3

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The patchwork of smaller kingdoms and chiefdoms of Scandinavia became more centralised kingdoms, and the resources usually applied locally for smaller viking raids was incoorporated into the army of the monarchs for more conventional military purposes (although looting of course still was the main form of soldiers salary until early modern times).
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They went modern — i.e. accepted Christianity and made proper Medieval kingdoms.
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Perhaps we're applying our own standards of 'success' too heavily upon them. I don't believe they were truly defeated as much as they were gradually incorporated into the surrounding culture. We're all about 'finding our true selves' and being self-actualized that we may forget that simply living pleasantly is success enough. Perhaps that is a defeat of a sort, but to a people who merely wanted to thrive and expand their success seems to continue on until today.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 10:55 PM   #6

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The settlements they were attacking were also building better fortifications and defenses to counteract their plundering. Make it harder and harder to conduct the whole business of it.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 11:47 PM   #7

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Look at the medieval history after the Viking period, they are still there, just without being called Vikings. Look at the de Clares, de Burgh, Kerr, Bruce, d'Aubigny, Beaumont, de Warenne, de longchamps, de Gailly, de Corbeil, Marshall, de Montfort, Bigod.... ah, simply so many of the British and French nobility.

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Old November 6th, 2012, 12:04 AM   #8

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The Danes, Norse and Sveir did not 'fall'. they simply changed with the times from raiders (vikings) to settlers and builders.
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Yes time change everything!!
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Old November 6th, 2012, 09:41 AM   #10

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Are you talking about the Norwegian vikings or the Rus? They are as different as night and day. The Rus never fell or failed in anything they did. They dominated the peoples they came into contact with. In the end they were overwhelmed by the far greater numbers of other peoples around them and eventually merged with them. New information coming out suggests that many returned to Sweden or were planning to. This is proven by the huge number of Persian silver coin caches that have been discovered. Most of them close to the Baltic sea. The latest find is one found on the east coast of Sweden in 2006. 260,000 silver coins in one cache. A smaller # in another cache.

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