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Old November 22nd, 2012, 02:44 PM   #101
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Good old day.
The only one think good was that I was young and full of fighting spirit. I use this spirit to oppose, in democratic way, the regime Dorothea is so found about.
In return, I was presented with two options which I had to democratically elect; to be in prison or to leave the country. So thanks to people like Dorothea Im in Australia.

Do you remember The Unbearable Lightness of Being - a novel by Milan Kundera and a film under the same title? If not, I strongly recommend that you read and watch, however maybe it is even better to take in the movie first. This is the truth about the above mentioned "old good days" - full of love and passion, where the threat of being followed by the secret police made your life and your love affairs even spicier and much more attractive. The truth is in those times you could have everything much easier, under one condition - keeping your political convictions private, for yourself, for internal use only.

And as for "western hypocrisy" - it's hardly a slogan, so it was not minted; it is an empirical fact.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 05:00 PM   #102
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Do you remember The Unbearable Lightness of Being - a novel by Milan Kundera and a film under the same title? If not, I strongly recommend that you read and watch, however maybe it is even better to take in the movie first. This is the truth about the above mentioned "old good days" - full of love and passion, where the threat of being followed by the secret police made your life and your love affairs even spicier and much more attractive. The truth is in those times you could have everything much easier, under one condition - keeping your political convictions private, for yourself, for internal use only.

And as for "western hypocrisy" - it's hardly a slogan, so it was not minted; it is an empirical fact.
My life was better than any film.
In "those time", as you called it you have to have two "truths", one for official use, and another for yourself. the hypocrisy of "those time" could not be described without expeirencing it. So, Dorothea, Good lack, you still could go to Cuba,North Korea opr Vietnam (I have worked in Vietnam for considerable time) to have a your dream fulfilled.

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Old November 22nd, 2012, 05:35 PM   #103

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Edward, interesting numbers about the right to vote, but the right to vote has to be accompanied with the right to choose. If 100 percent has to vote for Mr. Brezhnev, it is not the right, it is a hard obligation. I would like to see multi-partisan system in the USA, as well, but of course it can not be compared with what we had in the USSR.
To the rest, I enjoyed your posts but have to answer later, weather permitting. It is bad.
This is not totally accurate. People were not "forced" to vote- there was one candidate, but there was also an "against" option, so it was more of a referendum than an actual vote. Almost everyone voted "yes". Voting day was a patriotic holiday... Even though it was totally meaningless, people went out waving flags and out of their own free will displayed patriotism and support for the Communist Party. No KGB had a gun to their head... It was totally sincere.

However, workers 100% elected their union representatives in multi-choice elections.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 08:16 PM   #104

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Lors I'm very difficult object for trolling. So stop your poor attempts to troll me. And please do not forget to answer my question. I'll change it a little to prevent new attempts of empty rhetoric. How many Russians, Armenians and Tatars lived in Chechen Republic at autumn 1994? I look forward to your answer.
It's easy. About 200.000. The half of the Djohar (then Grozny) population were not natives. And it's time for my question: so what had exactly happened to them?

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Old November 23rd, 2012, 03:02 AM   #105

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You know, I tend to disagree with you. Maybe you are right about the place "minting" the phrase, but I'd expect a person from such a place being a very good troll, and actually, quietly provoking some of the posters rather than openly stating his views. Although, there are trolls and trolls, of course... sigh. I guess the main trait is the tendency to provoke.
We and the Russians are very old aquaintances Arkteia. Like a handwriting expert recognises the person by signature, so homo sovieticus can easily be detected by mindset and language (even if he/she speaks perfect English )
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 06:17 PM   #106

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It's easy. About 200.000. The half of the Djohar (then Grozny) population were not natives. And it's time for my question: so what had exactly happened to them?
Do not write nonsense Lors. 210 thousands Russians lived in Grozny only according to census of 1989. Already at at 1994 there almost were not Russians in Chechnya. Since the beginning 1991 to autumn 1994 year more than 200 thousands persons have left your not xenophobic Ichkeria. This is just the official statistics. I said you, stop trolling. *‚ни‡еские ‡ис‚ки в Че‡не €” ’икипедия

But the main question - why it is happened? It is necessary to ask Yeltsin's liberal Government. What's the use to ask Chechen this question? These are liberals who write about human rights and impartiality.

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Do not write nonsense Lors. 210 thousands Russians lived in Grozny only according to census of 1989. Already at at 1994 there almost were not Russians in Chechnya. Since the beginning 1991 to autumn 1994 year more than 200 thousands persons have left your not xenophobic Ichkeria. This is just the official statistics. I said you, stop trolling. *тнические чистки в Чечне — Википедия

But the main question - why it is happened? It is necessary to ask Yeltsin's liberal Government. What's the use to ask Chechen this question? These are liberals who write about human rights and impartiality.
LOL, Russian Wiki as a source. As I said before: you've got absolutely nothing about this topic. Still, I love to observe how Russians ignore losses of their fellows during carpet bombing campaigns. It tells so much about them... Try to talk with your fellow Ksisis (or whatever his nick is). He actually posted here a 1995 youtube video about this issue where Russians complained about how much them were there and how military forces "commit genocide" to them. It took a while to realise for Ksisis what he had posted actually. Still.
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LOL, Russian Wiki as a source. As I said before: you've got absolutely nothing about this topic. Still, I love to observe how Russians ignore losses of their fellows during carpet bombing campaigns. It tells so much about them... Try to talk with your fellow Ksisis (or whatever his nick is). He actually posted here a 1995 youtube video about this issue where Russians complained about how much them were there and how military forces "commit genocide" to them. It took a while to realise for Ksisis what he had posted actually. Still.
No doubt Wiki is well known as the xenophobic and anti-Chechen resource. This is why you give me the link to the Chechen nationalist sites as a source of extreme truth. Lol. But if you do not like Wiki you may try phrase Геноцид русских в Чечне (The Genocide of Russians in Chechnya) in GOOGLe
Click to View Search Results for    . -   Google . - Google
. It has 580,000 results of search. You may choose anyone you like most of all. And do not forget to use the official statistics for the beginning. Because it turns out according to you, carpet bombing killed ethnic Russians only and did not kill Chechens at all.

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No doubt Wiki is well known as the xenophobic and anti-Chechen resource. This is why you give me the link to the Chechen nationalist sites as a source of extreme truth. Lol. But if you do not like Wiki you may try phrase Геноцид русских в Чечне (The Genocide of Russians in Chechnya) in GOOGLe . - Google . It has 580,000 results of search. You may choose anyone you like most of all. And do not forget to use the official statistics for the beginning. Because it turns out according to you, carpet bombing killed ethnic Russians only and did not kill Chechens at all.
And all that link eventually lead to two Russian amateur sites. I've done it already long time ago when I've heard this unknown myth to anyone but Russian internet "fighters". Try to talk to Ksisis, he learned about bombed to the hell 200000 Russians by a hard way. He is gonna even provid you a good documentary about real citizens in Grozny, interviewed somewhere in March 1995. You are not going to like what they are saying.
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And all that link eventually lead to two Russian amateur sites. I've done it already long time ago when I've heard this unknown myth to anyone but Russian internet "fighters". Try to talk to Ksisis, he learned about bombed to the hell 200000 Russians by a hard way. He is gonna even provid you a good documentary about real citizens in Grozny, interviewed somewhere in March 1995. You are not going to like what they are saying.
Mister Lors. According to the data of the State Council of Chechen Republic the total estimation of all losses during the period since 1991 to 2005 is about 160 thousands persons. I understand, you consider idiots only live around of you. So explain to me some paradoxes:
1.Where do you have taken your figure 200 thousands of Russians only?
2.As we know there was about 300 thousands not Chechens in Chechnya, where are others 100 thousands Russians now?
3.Why bombs killed Russians only and did not kill Chechens? It is very interesting to learn it.
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