Originally Posted by antonina
Potap - do you EVER read my posts? You obviously don't - I've stressed a ZILLION times I don't justify the Polish domination of Ukraine. I view it as entirely wrong and my sympathies in the conflict are entirely on the side of the Ukrainians. I hate ANY kind of imperialism - you just don't get it and you never will, will you?
So this is NOT why.
I emphasize the difference between Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians because that's what they are - different nations with different language. You went separate ways ages ago and evolved differently.
To continue and refer to what you say here:
Don't you see the whole idea of "reuniting" and regaining "the former ethnos" is completely absurd ("former" meaning 10th century - or perhaps a bit later if you consider Monomach) In this strain of thinking, if - for instance - Sweden suddenly decided to followed your lead and go imperialistically bonkers (sorry
) they could proclaim their right to "reunite" Norway and Denmark!
So what other claim do you have? Orhodoxy? Why not "go back to the former ethnos" and gather Greece into one Russian fold?
And there's so much shared culture too (I love those icons)
Madam you are too verbose. I repeat Poles are responsible for impossibility to recreate former uniform old russian ethnos completely. Russia dominated over a part Poland too. But we have not created the separate ethnos from other Poles. While some centuries of Polish domination on the part of territory of former Kievan Rus were accompanied with polonisation and the imposition of Catholicism in local orthodox population. As if we'd get a part of Poland and we'd start to introduce Orthodoxy and our culture there. Then after 200-300 years we'd leave this territory and if you'd want be united with them we'd speak " do not touch them they are other ethnos ".
By the way Mongol-Tatars were much more humane in this respect. They did not introduce their culture, language and religion in territory of east Rus. All they needed is an annual tribute and participation in military campaigns together with Golden Horde's troops . They almost didn't interfere in internal Russian policy and allowed the big freedom for foreign policy. While Poland aspired to get new Poles and Catholics due to the orthodox population of former Kievan Rus.
Your empty rhetoric is funny of course. But it does not refute the facts which we see now.
Originally Posted by antonina
You're (deliberately) confusing dialects and separate languages - no luck that direction, mate, I may be a dunce at maths but not linguistics. Ukrainian and Belarusian are as close to Polish as they are to Russian.
So what??? Do you think I (or anyone else here) thinks this gives us a claim to "reunite" Ukraine and Belarus? No. I'm not that crazy, whatever Montage might think.
Do not substitute concept. We spoke about old russian language of XIV-XV centuries. There were no Ukrainian and Belarusian languages at that time.