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Old December 6th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #191
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Originally Posted by At Each Kilometer View Post
@antonina I guess we all have problems with our neighbours.

I just read an article about a Scotsman with very intersting background. I was actually looking for info about his great-grandfather, count Nikolai Ignatyeff, but I am really glad i found this. Enjoy

BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | South of Scotland | Russian count belongs to Scotland
Those Polish chekists were not the ones to be trusted. They saved counter-revolutionist and white due to their nationalistic attitude
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Old December 6th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #192
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why? its good movie, as good as any made that time in Hollywood if not better, nice story and good battle scenes
If not totally correct historically. But which movie is?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #193
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In a discussion about everything tsarist Russia a part should be devoted to what was common for European, and perhaps other parts of the world, and what was "unique Russian". I for my part has an impression of a tendency to overrate the importance of the later at the cost of the first. Perhaps a fascination with the "exotic" - (I remember a phrase about the "mysterious" kremlin, though from the soviet era).
Russia took part in European conflicts and alliances, imported parts of culture from other coutries etcetera.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:46 PM   #194

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Originally Posted by antonina View Post
Potap - do you EVER read my posts? You obviously don't - I've stressed a ZILLION times I don't justify the Polish domination of Ukraine. I view it as entirely wrong and my sympathies in the conflict are entirely on the side of the Ukrainians. I hate ANY kind of imperialism - you just don't get it and you never will, will you?

So this is NOT why.

I emphasize the difference between Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians because that's what they are - different nations with different language. You went separate ways ages ago and evolved differently.

To continue and refer to what you say here:

Don't you see the whole idea of "reuniting" and regaining "the former ethnos" is completely absurd ("former" meaning 10th century - or perhaps a bit later if you consider Monomach) In this strain of thinking, if - for instance - Sweden suddenly decided to followed your lead and go imperialistically bonkers (sorry ) they could proclaim their right to "reunite" Norway and Denmark!

So what other claim do you have? Orhodoxy? Why not "go back to the former ethnos" and gather Greece into one Russian fold? And there's so much shared culture too (I love those icons)
Madam you are too verbose. I repeat Poles are responsible for impossibility to recreate former uniform old russian ethnos completely. Russia dominated over a part Poland too. But we have not created the separate ethnos from other Poles. While some centuries of Polish domination on the part of territory of former Kievan Rus were accompanied with polonisation and the imposition of Catholicism in local orthodox population. As if we'd get a part of Poland and we'd start to introduce Orthodoxy and our culture there. Then after 200-300 years we'd leave this territory and if you'd want be united with them we'd speak " do not touch them they are other ethnos ".

By the way Mongol-Tatars were much more humane in this respect. They did not introduce their culture, language and religion in territory of east Rus. All they needed is an annual tribute and participation in military campaigns together with Golden Horde's troops . They almost didn't interfere in internal Russian policy and allowed the big freedom for foreign policy. While Poland aspired to get new Poles and Catholics due to the orthodox population of former Kievan Rus.

Your empty rhetoric is funny of course. But it does not refute the facts which we see now.

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You're (deliberately) confusing dialects and separate languages - no luck that direction, mate, I may be a dunce at maths but not linguistics. Ukrainian and Belarusian are as close to Polish as they are to Russian.
So what??? Do you think I (or anyone else here) thinks this gives us a claim to "reunite" Ukraine and Belarus? No. I'm not that crazy, whatever Montage might think.
Do not substitute concept. We spoke about old russian language of XIV-XV centuries. There were no Ukrainian and Belarusian languages at that time.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:54 PM   #195

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Replete with, Pavel, and no I'm not, Slav brother. My great-grandother was Ukrainian btw.
I am already is scared. My mother is Ukrainian. What if we're relatives? Click the image to open in full size.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 05:39 AM   #196

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I am already is scared. My mother is Ukrainian. What if we're relatives? Click the image to open in full size.
Quite probable so start getting used to the thought cousin
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