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Old November 28th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #11

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Why were you guys so close to recognizing the Confederacy as a country?
Who said we were close ????
There wasn't even a discussion in the cabinet about it
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Why did you initially side with the south until Lincoln turned the north's goal into abolishing slavery?
The British government adopted the stance of neutrality at the start of the war, that position didn't change.
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If Britain was proud of her anti-slavery history, then why did she allow it in her colonies to start with? Thank you!
People's views on morality tend to change. In the 18th century European nations didn't consider the slavery of non-white people to be immoral, but that had changed by the start of the 19th
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:00 PM   #12

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By 1860-62, while Britain was proud of its opposition to slavery, they did not initially see the American Civil War as a war over slavery..
This was probably due to the fact that both sides of the conflict in this period were informing the rest of the world the war wasn't about slavery. Lincoln even stated, at this time, that if the South returned to the Union slavery in their states would be protected.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:08 PM   #13

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diddyrick, i agree with number one but my question was why did it take the EP to change their decisions?
Contary to myth, the EP had no effect on British policy, it stayed exactly the same as before the EP, neutrality.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:33 PM   #14

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I was taught in my history class you were close to acknowledging the confederacy and that was a major reason for the EP
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:36 PM   #15

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I was taught in my history class you were close to acknowledging the confederacy and that was a major reason for the EP
Don't believe everything you're taught in school.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #16

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I see. Any other reasons why she would have been so quick to side with the Confederacy? How was the rest of Europe feeling about the ACW?
Beyond France and Spain I'd be very surprised if the ACW was anything more than a topic of conversation amongst a very few people.

For France's attitude, I'd suggest trade was their biggest concern, as like Britain they were big customers of Southern goods before the war. They probably wanted the war over so that trade could resume, but weren't willing to enter the war on either side to force that to happen.

Spain still had the vestiges of it's empire in America, so were probably hoping for a two-state solution for the same reason that diddyriddick suggests Britain might have been, i.e. a less powerful regional rival. Cuba was still an integral part of the Spanish nation at the time and the US had already looked to buy it before the war. But Spain in the 19th Century was a shadow of its former self and so divided internally during the period of the ACW I shouldn't have thought they'd have had any desire or ability to intervene on either side.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 03:37 PM   #17

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I was taught in my history class you were close to acknowledging the confederacy and that was a major reason for the EP
Then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with American education. We see the repetition of such myths and nonsense often in these threads.
The suggestion that the "aristocracy" was pro-confederate is arrant nonsense--Palmerston and his government WAS the aristocracy. Any study of the newspapers, government correspondence or private letters of the time will make clear that in the 1860s British attitudes to slavery were non-negotiable. Palmerston and Russell did have a problem with the EP, they feared a race war like the one that had occurred in Haiti and could spread throughout the Americas. Britain's prime interest throughout the 19thC was the maintainence of profitable trade. Wars restricted trade and were unwelcome.
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Then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with American education. We see the repetition of such myths and nonsense often in these threads.
The suggestion that the "aristocracy" was pro-confederate is arrant nonsense--Palmerston and his government WAS the aristocracy
Perfectly correct.
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Then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with American education.
I wouldn't condemn the entire American education system for ONE class. I've seen some pretty outrageous claims made about America by some Brits on this forum too. Just recently, in fact.
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I wouldn't condemn the entire American education system for ONE class. I've seen some pretty outrageous claims made about America by some Brits on this forum too. Just recently, in fact.
Then let's do a thread. US history myths Vs. British myths about the US.
(Ever read a book called "Don't know much about History" ?
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