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Old December 5th, 2012, 04:03 AM   #1
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England Monarchs could get a dibs on a FOURTH Rome


Here's the thing. Queen Elizabeth II's grandfather was King George V, right? His first cousin was Tsar Nicholas II of Russia, who was the last tsar of Russia. Now as a lot of you might know, in monarchy terms, Russia got Third Rome obviously. Which means if the people of Russia were to accept it, Prince Charles or Prince Harry could bitch of to Russia and become the first Caesar of the modern era, possibly restarting the Roman Empire. But when you think about it, there's already been a Holy Roman Empire, so are they gonna call it the Russo-Anglican [Roman] Empire. The weird thing is that they also have ties to the Greeks and Germans. Fourth Riech? Second Byzatine Empire? Holy Hellestic Empire?
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Hail Harry `the red` Autocrat of all the Russians.

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Old December 5th, 2012, 05:10 AM   #3
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Which means if the people of Russia were to accept it, Prince Charles or Prince Harry could bitch of to Russia and become the first Caesar of the modern era, possibly restarting the Roman Empire....Fourth Riech? Second Byzatine Empire? Holy Hellestic Empire?
Never going to happen, even for a speculative thread this is crazy!

EDIT: Just noticed this is not in the speculative area!

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Here's the thing. Queen Elizabeth II's grandfather was King George V, right? His first cousin was Tsar Nicholas II of Russia, who was the last tsar of Russia. Now as a lot of you might know, in monarchy terms, Russia got Third Rome obviously. Which means if the people of Russia were to accept it, Prince Charles or Prince Harry could bitch of to Russia and become the first Caesar of the modern era, possibly restarting the Roman Empire. But when you think about it, there's already been a Holy Roman Empire, so are they gonna call it the Russo-Anglican [Roman] Empire. The weird thing is that they also have ties to the Greeks and Germans. Fourth Riech? Second Byzatine Empire? Holy Hellestic Empire?
It doesn't work that way. Cousins can only inherit if the relationship goes the correct way.

Cousin A of Kingdom B can legally inherit from Cousin C of Kingdom D if Cousin A is descended from previous rulers of Kingdom D, the ones that Cousin C inherited from. But if the cousin relationship happens because Cousin C is descended from Cousin A's ancestors in Kingdom B that doesn't give Cousin A any right to inherit Kingdom D from Cousin C.

King Edward the Confessor of England was descended from Emma of Normandy, the grand aunt of Duke William the Conqueror. Thus King Edward the Confessor had potential claim to Normandy. If Duke William the Conqueror, his immediate family, and some cousins all died in a plague King Edward the Confessor could have become the rightful heir of Normandy and could have claimed the Duchy, possibly successfully.

But there would be no logic in Duke William the Conqueror trying to reverse the claim and claiming to be the rightful heir of King Edward the Confessor due to that cousin relationship. Duke William the Conqueror didn't have any descent from any member of the House of Wessex since 800 AD, or any known descent from any member of any Anglo Saxon dynasty that ruled over even the tiniest Anglo Saxon kingdom in some small corner of England.

And for British royalty to claim the Russian throne would be to make a claim that as just as genealogically reversed.

King George V and Tsar Nicholas II were first cousins. George"s mother Queen dowager Alexandria (1844-1925) and Nicholas's mother Empress dowager Dagmar (1847-1928) were both daughters of King Christian IX of Denmark, "the father-in-law of Europe".

That meant that the Danish royal family could not inherit either the UK or Russia, the British royal family could not inherit Russia, and the Russian imperial family could not inherit the UK. But if the Danish royal family was all wiped out somehow either the British royal family or the Russian imperial family could have inherited the throne of Denmark.

Actually Queen Elizabeth II's children and descendants now have a much better claim to the Russian throne than postulated by the OP. Queen Elizabeth's Husband Prince Consort Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, was born a prince of the Royal family of Greece and Denmark. Philip's father prince Andrew was the son of King George I of Greece and Grand duchess Olga Constantinovna of Russia (1851-1926). Olga was the daughter of Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolayevich (1827-1892) Son of Tsar Nicholas I (1796-1855).

So all Elizabeth II's descendants have to do is eliminate every Romanov ahead of them. But the problem is that the Romanov dynastic laws of succession never really imagined that the dynasty would be over thrown and exiled for decades and generations.

For example the line of succession was limited to males descended in the male line from Tsar Paul I until there were no more eligible males, and then female line descendants could have a claim. So maybe Elizabeth II's descendants would have to kill all the male Romanovs to claim the Russian throne.

But another rule was that males had to make equal rank marriages to remain eligible for the throne. Many made unequal marriages and ere disqualified even during the time of Nicholas II. Many more did so once the dynasty was overthrown. There are plenty of male Romanovs left, but considerable uncertainly about which ones are descended from equal marriages. I don't know if there are any Romanovs left who are qualified to inherit the throne.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_o...Russian_throne

And once they have killed whatever number of persons they might need to kill without being suspected all they would have to do would be to use mass hypnosis to convince one or two hundred million Russian voters to turn monarchist.

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A Russian constitutional monarchy isn't a such bad idea.
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Not likely.

Most of the Russian Tsar's family were killed in the Revolutions (Feb and Oct) or later by the Soviets.

There is little way Russia would want to become a monarchy again.

And I doubt the British Royal Family are that high up in the heir rankings, even if there are surviving Romanovs (which is not likely by now).

If anything, Putin would make himself Emperor or King, then a potential King Charles, William or Henry (his real name).
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I don't mean to disrespect either of them. But was such a resemblance the result of inbreeding? I have heard many such rumours about the British monarchy, and how it caused terrible health problems like hemophilia.
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I don't mean to disrespect either of them. But was such a resemblance the result of inbreeding? I have heard many such rumours about the British monarchy, and how it caused terrible health problems like hemophilia.
George V and Nicholas II resemble each other because they were first cousins.
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George V and Nicholas II resemble each other because they were first cousins.
....ad this is prince Michael of Kent (grandson of George V) who had the Russians in one hell of tizz when he visited there for the re-burial of the Czar and his family.
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