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Old December 11th, 2012, 02:57 AM   #1

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How effective were the Nazi Hunters????


Well???

They certainly had some success Eichman is the obvious example, yet they failed to catch Mengele.

Admittedly they were often hamstrung buy international law. But after Eichman's capture the Argentineans who although initially protesting heavily backed down and declared the matter closed (probably out of shame)


Other notorious Nazi's met suspicious deaths such as
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who was found with a knife in his chest in Sao Paulo, although this has been ruled as a suicide, it did seem to wrap things up nicely, as he was proving very difficult to extradite.


In several cases the Nazi's although positively identified were refused extradition from the countries harbouring them. Was the arranging of "accidents" for former Nazi's every carried out, if they proved to difficult to extradite???


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proved to be a very effective Nazi Hunter, but several of them still eluded him. How many Nazi's escaped justice???

It would be interesting to see the numbers of people charges for war crimes relating from WWII in the periods 1945, 1945 -48, 48 -60, 60 - 70 etc.

The Jews didn’t have the monopoly on hunting war criminals either the Yugoslavs arranged the murder of the commandant of Jasenovac concentration camp in Spain in 1969. Did the Soviets or any other group peruse their tormentors with the ferocity of the Jews????
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Old December 11th, 2012, 03:34 AM   #2

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Weisenthal was never that good, he got given a lot of credit for finding Eichmann that he didnt deserve to hide the actions of Mossad and others, the publicity allowed funding for him that eventually turned his organisation into an effective tool.


As for the hunting of nazi's it was never that effective either, the entire nation had been guitly in some degree of indefensible actions, there was no way you could hunt down every camp guard or every man who commanded a shooting party or every man who ran a camp.

They picked off one or two every couple of years to the point here massive national resources were being spent t pursue ukrainian truck drivers and tower guards while camp doctors or gesatpo officers went free.
It was more useful as a publicity excercise and reminding people how bad the nazi era had been and making the rest of them keep their heads down, to act like good citizens and tonot ever mention the nazis again.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 07:38 AM   #3

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it'a a shame mengele was never caught. a simple hanging was too good for him.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 08:34 AM   #4

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Immediately after WW2 the Allied Control Commissions arrested 90,000 German and put a further 1.9 million under a security regimen that only permitted them to engage in manual labour and restricted their movements. The Soviets bumped off about 45,000 in "special camps" without anything as silly as a trial.
A few were hunted down and arrested for specific crimes, apart from the Nuremburg trial big-wigs, a few hundred of the most prominent Nazis who had committed crimes in the occupied territories were put on trial. There was a little bit of private justice from SAS/Commando Officers against those who had executed commandos and some alleged revenge from members of the Jewish Brigade although most of this appears to be random murders.
However as just about anyone who was anyone in Germany between 1933 an 1945 had to be in the Nazi Party, let alone those who were just in the military--everyone was theoretically a Nazi.
In the 1980s Bundestag document 17/8134 officially announced, for the first time, something which had been treated as a taboo in the halls of government for decades: A total of 25 cabinet ministers, one president and one chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany -- as postwar Germany is officially known -- had been members of Nazi organizations.
In 1962 80% of judges were those who had worked for the Nazi regime as judges or prosecuters and 60% of policemen, including 100% of senior officers had served under the regime.
Altogether, some 70% of civil servants in post-war Germany up until the end of the 1960s, had previously held their jobs under the NSDAP.
The Austrian situation is even more illuminating.

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Old December 11th, 2012, 08:34 AM   #5
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this wiesenthal center is a bad joke today which turned out during the Kepiro case in Hungary...
(read the ast paragraphs- Karsai is a very famous holocaust historian in HUngary)
Sándor Képíró - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

by the way it just increases antisemitism in these countries...Here almost every family suffered from the german/russian occupation deportation of hungarians/germans ect from neighbouring countries and but nobody were punished just the nazis. So when Wiesenthal finds a private who perhaps killed a jew somewhere/somehow (who knows it after 70 years) and calls him "top nazi war criminal" the far-right uses this issue to prove the jewish plot/jewish superiority

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Old December 11th, 2012, 12:20 PM   #6

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It is very sad that several nazi criminals still live in peace, sometime as very respected persons.
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i think there were people's courts in every soviet occupied countries. In Hungary people's courts existed between 1945-1950 for war crimes and crimes against humanity commited during ww2. Of course these were under commie influence. The Hungarian People's courts started process against 59429 people between 1945-49. Out of these 26 997 recieved a sentence, 14727 ppl were aquitted and 12644 person's case was closed in another way. These people's courts sentenced 322 people to death until 1 march 1948 and out of them 146 were executed. There were Hungarian war criminals tried in Yugoslav, Czechoslovak and Romanian courts (and maybe in SU also) too but i don't know about their stats. And of course these doesn't include collective punishments, massacres commited by the Yugoslav communists against Hungarians "by revenge", forced expulsion of Germans, forced labour to the Soviet union, Maniu guard massacres, the forced population exchange by the Czechoslovak regime, war compensations that the country had to pay...
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the Wiesenthal center is a scam, its enough to check their homepage, its all about "give us your money"
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Old December 11th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #9

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the Wiesenthal center is a scam, its enough to check their homepage, its all about "give us your money"
Could you elaborate on how you think it is a scam? I'm not exactly seeing it.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #10
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Could you elaborate on how you think it is a scam? I'm not exactly seeing it.

maybe im too suspicious but if every second button on their homepage is leading to a page asking for money (donate, join, shop, donate now, renew your membership), it seems to be a fraudulent business scheme for me.
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