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Old December 14th, 2012, 08:09 AM   #11

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Actually, the Tudors were originally Welsh but as Wales was essentially under England's rule, it was still an internal usurpation, not a foreign invasion. You could say Henry VII invaded the throne - but I would not say he invaded the nation. And certainly, I would not say the Welsh invaded.
Didn't know they were Welsh. Interesting.

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I thought Viking invasions were pre-Norman conquest? The Scots may have raided the borders but were they with the intent of invading the entire nation? And I can't think of any French invasions - England was often at war with the French but I thought they were mostly fought on French land. Mind you, I don't have a huge knowledge of military history, I'm just thinking aloud.
Your right, the "Viking" invasions were before the Norman conquests, with the last one to my knowledge being Harald Hardradaa in 1066. Pardon my confusing writing. As for the French, they invaded England more often than the Danes. Although the Danes invasions created Danelaw. I personally believe that we could very easily of been speaking French if John of England had died a little bit later than he did. Propaly the best thing he did in his reign. Exempt for the Magna Carta, which would've been useless in a French England. Although Louis VIII didn't live for that much longer either. So the question is would Louis IX of managed to hold onto England? Phillip III and IV most certainly wouldn't. So it seems as if the Hundred Years War would've happened. Just on the other side of the cannel. Seems as if the indafatible British army isn't so great anymore is it? ; )
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Old December 14th, 2012, 09:48 AM   #12

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Its hard to say to be honest. There have not been any real successful invasions of the island.

Those that have invaded in some manner are:

Angles/Saxons
Jutes
Vikings
Scottish (before union)
Normans
French

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Does Guernsey count? Louis XIV tried to invade there in 1704, unsuccessfully.
I think Guernsey is a crown dependency, rather than a part of the United Kingdom.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 10:16 AM   #13

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I think Guernsey is a crown dependency, rather than a part of the United Kingdom.
don't they call The Queen 'Our Duke'?
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Old December 14th, 2012, 10:20 AM   #14

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don't they call The Queen 'Our Duke'?
Yes, lol!

I think they say it during a toast or something similar. I believe its related to the Norman heritage of the island.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 10:21 AM   #15

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Yes, lol!

I think they say it during a toast or something similar. I believe its related to the Norman heritage of the island.
Not certain but I think the Channel Islands are the last little bit of the Duchy of Normandy held by the crown
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Not certain but I think the Channel Islands are the last little bit of the Duchy of Normandy held by the crown
Afaik, yes they are. I think the islanders still view themselves as part of the duchy, which is why they swear allegiance to the queen, rather than the government, hence the toast "our duke"
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Yes you're all right, the Islands are dependent territories and the Queen is toasted as "The Duke of Normandy, our Queen."

http://www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/Qu...elIslands.aspx

(I should have known all that before really, my Dad's a Channel Islander)
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William III invaded in 1688, his 'invitation' was highly questionable.

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He landed with a 50,000 strong Dutch army.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 12:05 PM   #19

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Afaik, yes they are. I think the islanders still view themselves as part of the duchy, which is why they swear allegiance to the queen, rather than the government, hence the toast "our duke"
They are not even classed as part of the British Isles, they are too far away from Britain and too close to France.
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They are not even classed as part of the British Isles, they are too far away from Britain and too close to France.
Hence that reply and my earlier reply

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