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Old January 7th, 2013, 11:25 AM   #31

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How do today's Russians and Germans feel about each other? I ask because of the particularly brutal nature of the Eastern Front during WWII. I'm not talking about attitudes on the governmental level, I mean those of ordinary people.

I remember hearing that much of "Der Untergang," the film which dealt with the last days of Hitler, was filmed in St. Petersburg--the very city that was targeted for systematic starvation during its 872 day siege at the hands of the Nazis, a policy which resulted in more deaths than those suffered by the U.S. and Britain combined during the whole war. To me, this suggested that feelings had softened more than I would have thought.

I'd like to hear from Russians and Germans on the forum, although anyone else with information is welcome to post as well.
There is no hatred towards Germans in modern Russia. There are other more actual problems now than to hate Germans. For example the inflow of immigrants from the Asian republics of the former USSR. Modern Germany is our main partner from the countries of EU. As to the history, we are able to distinguish the past from the nowdays. More of that, the history of the Russian-German relations is almost one thousand years long. There were not only wars during this period. Russia was modernized by Peter through the German culture, a part of Russian elite at XVIII-XIX centuries were ethnic Germans. Even our penultimate patriarch Alexy II was the ethnic German (Alexey von Ridiger). Some Russians have German roots. My grandfather was killed in Stalingrad by Germans, but he was the husband of the German woman. Can I hate the mother of my father?

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I wish they forbade telling blatant and laughable lies too.
If the rules forbade it, you would have been banned and all your posts deleted....
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don't hold a grudge about the wartime violence, use of violence in conflict-solving has always been and still is widely accepted by society. Besides, they got their revenge. The inferiority complex versus Westerners is, in this case, mollified by the satisfying awareness of having triumphed over the foe, vanquished and humiliated him. Which explains why Russians tend to feel quite benign towards Germans.
If we'd have the Polish mentality, we'd whine about all these wartime violence, of course and we'd write dozens of antiGerman crap at the internet forums at every appearance of the word Germany , as well as some Poles write dozens of antiRussian crap at every opportunity. But fortunately we are savage barbarians which are able to be friendly toward former enemies. And this is very serious problem for Poland which risks to go through the fifth partition of Rzeczpospolita.
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I have not met any German who advocates or justifies Nazism and how they treated other nations so it forms solid basis for letting bygones be bygones to Germans and Russians. So, I think the events of the WWII don't weigh on mutual relationships between the Germans and the Russians.
Surprisingly, people from other nations directly and indirectly advocate Nazi. Indeed, anybody who thinks, that the results of the Nuremberg trial should be reexamined or equals communism and Nazism, at the end justifies Nazi and heinous crimes.
I was taken aback when I found out that on this forum Hitler's fan club consists in Poles, and from time to time I read their abhorrent and repellent posts where, for example, Antonina wrote that everybody, who had military rank in the Red army, were criminals. Hitler would have swooned with proud had he read it.
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I have not met any German who advocates or justifies Nazism and how they treated other nations so it forms solid basis for letting bygones be bygones to Germans and Russians. So, I think the events of the WWII don't weigh on mutual relationships between the Germans and the Russians.
Surprisingly, people from other nations directly and indirectly advocate Nazi. Indeed, anybody who thinks, that the results of the Nuremberg trial should be reexamined or equals communism and Nazism, at the end justifies Nazi and heinous crimes.
I was taken aback when I found out that on this forum Hitler's fan club consists in Poles, and from time to time I read their abhorrent and repellent posts where, for example, Antonina wrote that everybody, who had military rank in the Red army, were criminals. Hitler would have swooned with proud had he read it.
For sure many of them were criminals, starting their cirminal activity from Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939. Like Soviet tank crews who used Polish children as human shields chained to the armours of tanks when entering Polish cities. Or those who murdered on 24 September, the staff and patients of a Polish military hospital in the village of Grabowie.

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For sure many of them were criminals, starting their cirminal activity from Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939. Like Soviet tank crews who used Polish children as human shields chained to the armours of tanks when entering Polish cities. Or those who murdered on 24 September, the staff and patients of a Polish military hospital in the village of Grabowie.
Oh, Good God. What happened with the II Poland republic, it was a retaliation for grabbing a part of Czechoslovakia, so there is nothing wrong about it. The militaristic and weak state was absorbed by strong neighbors.

Do have an order that required soldiers of the Red army chained children to tanks? If not, it is a clear example of vilifying the Red army, because such unbacked balderdash could be said about every army.

About the hospital, wars are accompanied by collateral damages, it's not something unusual. People in Afghanistan are still being killed by American drones, why do you forget about it. Ah, I'm recalling you like America and hate the USSR.
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Would you mind reassuring me you're still in junior high? Not on Obama's think-tank by any chance?
Oh, somebody detests peace, absence of the cold war whiff and respecting human rights.
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Oh, Good God. What happened with the II Poland republic, it was a retaliation for grabbing a part of Czechoslovakia, so there is nothing wrong about it. The militaristic and weak state was absorbed by strong neighbors.

Do have an order that required soldiers of the Red army chained children to tanks? If not, it is a clear example of vilifying the Red army, because such unbacked balderdash could be said about every army.

About the hospital, wars are accompanied by collateral damages, it's not something unusual. People in Afghanistan are still being killed by American drones, why do you forget about it. Ah, I'm recalling you like America and hate the USSR.
Its for 911 Igor
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Replace "the region" with "Europe" and "plus" with minus and I agree completely
I do understand your feelings Antonnia But i do think where geopolitics is concerned, as long as Germany and Russia are getting along well, states in the middle of these two great powers have nothing much too fear, sovereignty wise that is. Fingers crossed.
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