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Old January 12th, 2013, 01:02 AM   #1
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Are Germans too cautious in talking about WWII?


It seems that Germans are often too cautious in talking about WWII. Is it because they feel it is a bad moment of their history and they want to forget about it?
Or is it just because they lost the war and history has been written in favor of the victors?
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Old January 12th, 2013, 01:38 AM   #2

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Well tbh im not surprised. If they talk in a positive aspect, there is potential labeling for "nazi sympathiser" despite the fact that were many normal citizens against "nazism" and many military people whom were fighting for their country, rather than any political ideology.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 01:51 AM   #3

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I think more the former, it's embarrassing for them and as Mangekyou mentioned, they don't wannna come off as nazi sympathizers in any way
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Old January 12th, 2013, 03:11 AM   #4

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It seems that Germans are often too cautious in talking about WWII. Is it because they feel it is a bad moment of their history and they want to forget about it?
Or is it just because they lost the war and history has been written in favor of the victors?
well, you ask me about my opinion. I don't know. I wrote something but deleted it again. It is very difficult. On the mass rape thread somebody sayd that Germans don't write about i because their kids shall not learn that "
...their grandfathers burned women and kids alive in Ukrainian churches as easily like we play fotbal today... ". That's perhaps in a few times true. I would think most are simply ashamed about the responsibility of Germany for the war and its crimes, so that they don't want to speak about crimes that were done against them.
But there are in germany and abroad allways people who immediately push people who talk about it in a right corner. I am sure you have seen it, when I opened a thread about the expulsion of germans. you can see this in a smaller amount in the thread about war crimes of western allies or threads about the bombing of cities. So a lot don't want to speak about it because they are afraid to get attacked and offended.
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If they talk in a positive aspect, there is potential labeling for "nazi sympathiser"
You missed "by their own government" off that.
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I haven't generally found that Germans feel any awkwardness in talking about WW2 (or indeed the Nazi era) if a sensible discussion arises about it.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 04:08 AM   #7

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Well tbh im not surprised. If they talk in a positive aspect, there is potential labeling for "nazi sympathiser" despite the fact that were many normal citizens against "nazism" and many military people whom were fighting for their country, rather than any political ideology.
Good points.

There is still a deep shame and embaressment amongst the German people that prevents any meaningful discussion. As has been mentioned any attempted defense runs the risk of being labeled `Nazi lover`.
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I haven't generally found that Germans feel any awkwardness in talking about WW2 (or indeed the Nazi era) if a sensible discussion arises about it.
Many years ago, when I was about 24, more than half a lifetime ago I worked as a motor mech near Fremantle WA(Au). I was having a good convo with a customer about cars. He was a German dentist not long out(in Au) and 20 years older than I. We got onto Volkswagen... I asked him if he knew what we called them(VWs), he said no. I said Hitlers revenge! Convo went south, "no, don't mention that name." Meh, you have to let go at some stage.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 07:39 AM   #9
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A war who never ends


German people was swamped in shame and sorrow about the crimes they committed; they were forced to expouse completely the victors point de vue. Revenge after an unfair peace treaty was the motive behind Nazist revanscism, so after WWII nothing was spared to ensure the Germans were subdued, this time and once for all. For a couple of years the occupation forces proceeded to destroy German industry, too (Morgenthau plan), in order to force them to become a country of peasants. And nobody could protest or complain.

Germans were forced to live in a fiction of "absolute evil" imposed of them, and another fiction they invented for themselves in order to survive this immense guilt: German resistance (but they were precious few) and the myth about fair Wermacht against cruel Nazis (simply not true). I experienced this fact first hand speaking with a german guy about ten years ago: I started to counter these arguments and I could see he was very uneasy speaking about it. Still, it was 50 years after the fatcs and he obviously could not have taken part in the war.

At the same time, Germans still have trouble to speak about the wrongs they suffered. Murderous firebombings, mass killings of prisoners at the hands of both Russians and western Allies, mass rape, massive ethnic cleansing from extended zones. In my opinion there's some feeling that, because Nazi Germany in part did, in part wanted to do, about the same things, they can't complain.

Still, Germany suffered, too. WWII was born from an unfair peace forced to them after WWI. I think time is come to speak openly about the war, to abandon the fiction which sees the Allies like the chivalrous monopolist of goodness, and ther deliver all of these themes to history books.

Peace seems firm and safe in modern Europe, still, in the straits of the present crisis years, we could be at the start of a nationalist age again. Germans could rebel to the version of history forced on them, and remeber all the cities and lands they were forced to forfeit forever, after a war they lost more than 65 years ago.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 08:14 AM   #10
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It seems that Germans are often too cautious in talking about WWII. Is it because they feel it is a bad moment of their history and they want to forget about it?
Or is it just because they lost the war and history has been written in favor of the victors?
the last nazis/surviving jews are still living among us...
when the kids of these people will die out, we (germans, russians, izraelis, americans ect) can chat objectively about ww2 just like about the 100 years war, or ghenghis khan..
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