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Old February 6th, 2013, 10:06 AM   #31
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agree they are kind of mystery on their own. The Hun descent is just romantic fantasy of course, but they could be earlier arrivals than the 895 group. Their first possible mention is in the 9th century Jayhani tradition, a certain "s.k.l" tribe among the Bulgars. But in the other hand, the Tansylvanian Szekely population shows remains of being an artifically organized military border guard population from different tribe fractions (based on Szekely clan and line names) and there is no higher substratum of non Hungarian words in their dialects than in other Hungarian dialects. actually they show similarities to West Hungarian dialects and before their settlement to Transylvania part of them were at the Western frontier.

However the eastern Székelyes didn't live in their present-day territory, they moved from Bihar county to the present-day Székely-land.

The more interesting question is the case of medieval western Székelys from the Austrian and Czech borderlands.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 10:10 AM   #32
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agree they are kind of mystery on their own. The Hun descent is just romantic fantasy of course, but they could be earlier arrivals than the 895 group. Their first possible mention is in the 9th century Jayhani tradition, a certain "s.k.l" tribe among the Bulgars. But in the other hand, the Tansylvanian Szekely population shows remains of being an artifically organized military border guard population from different tribe fractions (based on Szekely clan and line names) and there is no higher substratum of non Hungarian words in their dialects than in other Hungarian dialects. actually they show similarities to West Hungarian dialects and before their settlement to Transylvania part of them were at the Western frontier.
Thanks from the info, but I am not entirely satisfied by it. AFAIK they have more Turkic elements than the rest of Hungarians in their dialect and customs, and much more are black-haired comparing to the rest of Hungarian population, at least in Romania (I mean authentic Szekelys, not all Hungarians from the so called by you Szekely Land are real Szekelys).
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To be more clear, in the so called by you Szekely Land, there are two distinct Hungarophone populations, some are light-haired (light brown or blond, with their women being on average freckled and corpulent), whilst others are black-haired (with their women being on average thin).
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Old February 6th, 2013, 10:20 AM   #34
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To be more clear, in the so called by you Szekely Land, there are two distinct Hungarophone populations, some are light-haired (light brown or blond, with their women being on average freckled and corpulent), whilst others are black-haired (with their women being on average thin).
I didn't notice that, do you have any genetic or anthropological study about it?
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I didn't notice that, do you have any genetic or anthropological study about it?
No, it's all based on my direct observation. BTW, all the pure and half-Szekelys I know are black-haired, and concerning some of those "half-", but who resemble their Szekely parent re: their features, I can share with you some pictures privately, if you wish.
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No, it's all based on my direct observation. BTW, all the pure and half-Szekelys I know are black-haired, and concerning some of those "half-", but who resemble their Szekely parent re: their features, I can share with you some pictures privately, if you wish.

Oh really?

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Oh really?

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It seems that, as usual, you didn't understand "what's all about". Personally I never thought that being lighter makes you better, and in what I am concerned I never discriminated based on hair/eye/skin etc. colour, but instead I always discriminated based on human character and benevolence/malevolence.
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It seems that, as usual, you didn't understand "what's all about". Personally I never thought that being lighter makes you better, and in what I am concerned I never discriminated based on hair/eye/skin etc. colour, but instead I always discriminated based on human character and benevolence/malevolence.
Very very "belivable".
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it is a Turkic word meaning 10 Ogurs (ten arrows=ten tribes).
These are Onogur tribes that created todays Hungarian people:
Nyék,Megyer,Gyarmat,Tarján,Jenő,Kéri,Keszi,Kürt,Tá rkány,Ogúz(Oghur).
Here Oguz,Kürt,Keszi,Keri and Tarkany are Turkic.Others are Finno-Ugric.I think Megyer is Magyar which you use the name for yourself today.
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Pherhaps the Huns?
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