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Old February 7th, 2013, 01:46 AM   #51
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R1a1-z280 is a new discovery, therefore I'am not suprised that you misinterpret or misuderstanding it.
"Despite the limited data available for Z280 and Z93,
some general inferences can be drawn from the geographic
distributions of these two haplogroups. The R1a1-
Z280 subclade is a strong candidate for covering the
R1a1a* (xM458) in Eastern Europe, which was found in
high frequency by Underhill et al. (2010)."

"The coalescent time calculated by us for R1a1-M458
carriers is consistent with the age calculated by Underhill
et al. (2010) in Europe yielding 7.3 KYA versus 7.9
KYA (thousands of years ago). Underhill et al. (2010)
also noted the potential association of R1a1-M458 with
the Linear Pottery Neolithic culture in the territory of
present-day Hungary—this observation is supported by
our data. The TMRCA calculated for R1a1-Z280 diversification
(10.3 KYA) is approximately in agreement with
the estimation of Underhill et al. (2010) for
R1a1a*(xM458) chromosomes in Eastern Europe (11
KYA)."

"It is an open question as to whether the Andronovo
and Tarim Basin R1a1-M198 peoples (Keyser et al.,
2009; Li et al., 2010) belonged to the R1a1-Z280 group,
the R1a1-Z93 group, or both. By discovering the relationship
between R1a1-Z280, R1a1-Z93 and the Kurgan
expansions, many questions could be answered regarding
the history of the Eurasian Steppe. Furthermore, it
would be important to check the occurrence of R1a1-
Z280 in Finno-Ugric populations because R1a1-M198 is
the relatively most frequent haplogroup among Mordvins,
Maris, Komis, Estonians (Tambets et al., 2004),
and Hungarians (Vo¨lgyi et al., 2009)."
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"Despite the limited data available for Z280 and Z93,
some general inferences can be drawn from the geographic
distributions of these two haplogroups. The R1a1-
Z280 subclade is a strong candidate for covering the
R1a1a* (xM458) in Eastern Europe, which was found in
high frequency by Underhill et al. (2010)."

"The coalescent time calculated by us for R1a1-M458
carriers is consistent with the age calculated by Underhill
et al. (2010) in Europe yielding 7.3 KYA versus 7.9
KYA (thousands of years ago). Underhill et al. (2010)
also noted the potential association of R1a1-M458 with
the Linear Pottery Neolithic culture in the territory of
present-day Hungary—this observation is supported by
our data. The TMRCA calculated for R1a1-Z280 diversification
(10.3 KYA) is approximately in agreement with
the estimation of Underhill et al. (2010) for
R1a1a*(xM458) chromosomes in Eastern Europe (11
KYA)."

"It is an open question as to whether the Andronovo
and Tarim Basin R1a1-M198 peoples (Keyser et al.,
2009; Li et al., 2010) belonged to the R1a1-Z280 group,
the R1a1-Z93 group, or both. By discovering the relationship
between R1a1-Z280, R1a1-Z93 and the Kurgan
expansions, many questions could be answered regarding
the history of the Eurasian Steppe. Furthermore, it
would be important to check the occurrence of R1a1-
Z280 in Finno-Ugric populations because R1a1-M198 is
the relatively most frequent haplogroup among Mordvins,
Maris, Komis, Estonians (Tambets et al., 2004),
and Hungarians (Vo¨lgyi et al., 2009)."
It doesn't refute my statements.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 02:05 AM   #53
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The SNP Z280 is not really new, and is carried by a lot of non Finno-Ugric speakers in Central and Eastern Europe.
BTW, Gypsies, are mostly in Y-Haplogroup H.
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The SNP Z280 is not really new, and is carried by a lot of non Finno-Ugric speakers in Central and Eastern Europe.
BTW, Gypsies, are mostly in Y-Haplogroup H.
That's what I said. Beorna confused the R1a and H haplogroups.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 03:22 AM   #55
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It doesn't refute my statements.
First of all it doesn't support your statement.
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That's what I said. Beorna confused the R1a and H haplogroups.
I didn't speak about H. I just said, that gypsies have as well R1a, like you can read in your linked article.
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I didn't speak about H. I just said, that gypsies have as well R1a, like you can read in your linked article.

Germans and even French people have average higher ratio of R1A than gypsy peoples. Haplogroup H is the dominant haplogroup of gypsy people.
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Germans and even French people have average higher ratio of R1A than gypsy peoples. Haplogroup H is the dominant haplogroup of gypsy people.
Yes, and? Shall I now have a problem with it? I have no problem with gypsies, as it seems, different to you.

But if R1a and as well Z280 are widespread, how shall we link it with Hungarians?
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Yes, and? Shall I now have a problem with it? I have no problem with gypsies, as it seems, different to you.

But if R1a and as well Z280 are widespread, how shall we link it with Hungarians?
Do you protested against the ARYAN gypsy photos?? )) Yes . Therefore you ashamed your ARYAN indo brothers!
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Do you protested against the ARYAN gypsy photos?? )) Yes . Therefore you ashamed your ARYAN indo brothers!
First of all, yes. I am quite sure the intention of these photos was to be offensive.

Second, I am not ashamed, that I share perhaps ancestors with gypsies 4,ooo or 5,000 or more years ago. And before you ask, I am as well not ashamed, that I have african ancestors, maybe 70,000 years ago

And third, you maybe a Hungarian, but I can trace back my family tree via Mary and Yolanda/Violant of Hungary till the Arpads. You, too?
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