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Old February 12th, 2013, 09:13 PM   #1
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Did Stalin kill more people(in general) than Hitler and did Stalin kill more Jews than Hitler?
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Old February 12th, 2013, 09:29 PM   #2

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Did Stalin kill more people(in general) than Hitler and did Stalin kill more Jews than Hitler?
People in general, probably. Jews? Definitely not. Stalin, at least nominally was against anti-Semitism. Hitler on the other hand made the business of killing Jews a international institution.
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Killing jews seems to have been an international institution for many centuries. Witness the many slaughters in Spain and across Europe over the years. When in political difficulty, blame the jews for the plague etc.

As for Russia, the Tzar through out most of the Jews as portrayed in the film Fiddler on the Roof, dispersing the Russian jews throughout the world, with many coming to New York and the East End of London.
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Stalin never killed Jews because they were Jewish, he was an equal opportunities killer, he saw past sex, age, religion and skin colour when it came to large scale termination. On the law of averages some of the people killed would have been Jewish. Then again a way above average percentage of the Bolshevik party was Jewish, so on Strormfront I'd bet money there's an equivalent topic, did Stalinist Jews kill more Aryans than Hitler?
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Do you know who Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev are? Their real names are Bronstein, Apfelbaum and Rosenfeldt. Please check them and their roles in October revolution 1917 and afterwards in the net. Do you think they were jewish. Wrong, they were soviets. Stalin himself wasn't a georgian, but a soviet also. If I call Dzerjinski, a descendant of polish nobels, a Pole, polish members in this very forum will kill me on the spot. Did they kill jews? Well, I suppose so. Frankly they didn't give a damn about victim's nationality. You are with them or against them. Jew, Pole or an alien. It doesnt matter.
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Did Stalin kill more people(in general) than Hitler and did Stalin kill more Jews than Hitler?
Jews killed by German Reich apparatus during the WW II :-
a ) Gassed in mobile gas vans--700,000
b ) shot to death by the SS or Police or auxilliaries and others---1.3 millions
c ) Gassed in death camps like Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belsen etc.---3.0 millions
d ) left to die in ghettos and camps due to disease or hunger or both--1.0 million
---------------- Grand Total of Jews Killed---------6 millions
( Figure quoted by Richard Evans in his book ' The Third Reich at War ', Penguin books 2008, ISBN 978-1-59420-206-3 page 318 )
All sorts of People killed by the Soviet Russian Apparatchki ( from 1924 to 1953 )
a ) dekulakizasation-----15 millions dead
b) 'repressed ' i.e. arrested and killed or arrested and sent to Gulag for a long duration------------------18 million arrested out of which 7 millions shot
-------------------Grand Total of People repressed----33 millions ( out of which 22 millions killed )
( Figure Quoted by Allan Bullock on page 551 of his book ' Hitler and Stalin Parallel Lives ' , Fontana Edition, ISBN 0 00 686374 4 )
No separate record available readily to classify Soviet Russian victims into Jews and non-Jews.

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Did Stalin kill more people(in general) than Hitler and did Stalin kill more Jews than Hitler?
Stalin didn't like jews but he didn't order mass killings like Hitler, he executed a alot of them in the Doctor's Plot out of paranoia and ordered Trotsky killed too. (trotsky was jewish).

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Stalin also sought to get rid of and contain the Soviet Jewish population by creating the jewish autonomous region all the way in the Far East instead of on slavic european lands, because he didn't want to anger the Slavic people.

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Stalin never killed Jews because they were Jewish, he was an equal opportunities killer, he saw past sex, age, religion and skin colour when it came to large scale termination.
He was so progressive!
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Stalin never killed Jews because they were Jewish, he was an equal opportunities killer, he saw past sex, age, religion and skin colour when it came to large scale termination. On the law of averages some of the people killed would have been Jewish. Then again a way above average percentage of the Bolshevik party was Jewish, so on Strormfront I'd bet money there's an equivalent topic, did Stalinist Jews kill more Aryans than Hitler?
Stalin killed many, but his purges of the 30-es were very much governed by his need to exterminate his former party friends, foes and competitors. And alsothe ones who knew about his past. So percentage-wise, he probably killed more Georgians than Jews.
Over 70% of old Georgian Bolsheviks were killed, with their families and friends. But since, indeed, there was a significant percent of Jews among old Bolsheviks, with their friends and families, it might seem that many Jews were killed. But at that time, party members were very internationalistic and often married and befriended non-Jews so it, so to say, diluted the national pool of Stalin's victims. Personally Stalin was antI-Semitic and after WWII planned deportation of the Jews. The process of exterminating of Jews started but luckily, he died. But he was not Hitler because he did not manage to kill Jews for being Jews and had to be proponent of internationalism, at least nominally.
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Hitler killed more Jews, Stalin killed more Communists. That being said, Hitler is responsible for more deaths than Stalin since his regime is far more culpable for the outbreak of World War II and the subsequent loss of life across both Europe and Africa. (WWII in Asia can mostly be blamed on the Japanese).

There is also the fact that Nazi policy was to deliberately annihilate entire ethnic groups; men, women, children, the elderly and infirm, etc. They also set up an entire bureaucratic infrastructure whose entire purpose was to kill as many people as possible.

Soviet policies also overwhelmingly tended to target adult male citizens, with most families perishing due to reckless economic experimentation like that which caused the Famines of the '30s. And unlike Nazi camps, Soviet GULags averaged a 5% death rate and a 10% release rate before World War II (that's right; you were twice as likely to get out than die). During WWII, the death-rates reached about 33% due to the famines afflicting the entire country from invasion. After WWII, death rates in the GULags never surpassed 5%.

There is also the fact that the Soviets seemed to understand that killing people wasn't really something to be proud of, hence hush-ups over Katyn and other NKVD atrocities. The Nazis, on the other hand, had serious high-level discussions about whether or not to share that German troops were machine-gunning civilians in the back because a great many of them (including most administrators in the East) saw it as something the regime ought to be proud of.

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