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Old April 11th, 2013, 07:34 PM   #41
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i don't believe that roosevelt knew. if he did, he would have told the men at pearl harbor so they would be ready. the attack still would have occured but we wouldn't have had the huge losses we had..
Yes,the forces would've been on alert,and while there would have still been serious losses,the Japanese would have paid a far stiffer price.This past December 7th,I attended Pearl Harbor Day ceremonies at a veteran's home here,with several Pearl Harbor survivors being there,including one who was a marine corps machine gun instructor on a nearby island,whose unit pumped thousands of rounds of .50 cal and 20mm ammo at the attacking aircraft,and downed two of them.Had the forces been alerted,there would've been plenty of AA crews standing by,along with the fighters,and the ships would've been dispersed.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 02:05 PM   #42

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Hating FDR was a tradition in many American houses. Motives are always mixed in such cases, but there was a underlying thought back then that US participation in WWI had been mostly a matter of saving the British Empire(uh, for no good reason, you see).

Remember, we're talking about politics here. No calumny was too vile.
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Hating FDR was a tradition in many American houses. Motives are always mixed in such cases, but there was a underlying thought back then that US participation in WWI had been mostly a matter of saving the British Empire(uh, for no good reason, you see).

Remember, we're talking about politics here. No calumny was too vile.
Agreed, but it seems to me that there is something more here. For the same reason that Lost Causers can't accept that they got their fannies beaten, PH revisionists can't accept that the Japanese pulled off a major naval coup. There is an arrogance bordering on racism here.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #44

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Agreed, but it seems to me that there is something more here. For the same reason that Lost Causers can't accept that they got their fannies beaten, PH revisionists can't accept that the Japanese pulled off a major naval coup. There is an arrogance bordering on racism here.
Racism or pure pride and hatred. I think throwing racism into the mix is going a bit too far. I am not convinced yet that there was no knowledge in the U.S. about a Japanese attack. However, in no way does racism play a part in my opinion.
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Who knew...the Japanese
After that nobody. The Japanese task force kept a strict radio silence, so there were no messages to decode which would have given the USA warning of the attack.
Amen to that!
Everything else is conspiracy theory, much like 9/11 there were plenty of signs which were obvious in hindsight but no one could really have know for sure except the Japanese
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 12:02 PM   #46
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A bit lately...I read a lot about the Pearl Harbor conspiracy...one returning element in all the stories...the Code Purple...
One including the conspiracy:
Breaking Japan's Codes: Purple & Magic
One debunking the conspiracy:
Attack on Pearl Harbor: Why Weren't We Warned

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