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Old April 5th, 2009, 10:46 AM   #1

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Where did the Germanic peoples come from?


Having read Snorri Sturlason's Heimskringla, I noted some interesting points that made me think about the origins of the Germanic people. While reading the Ynglinga Saga I came upon the following:

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There goes a great mountain barrier from north-east to south- west, which divides the Greater Swithiod from other kingdoms. South of this mountain ridge it is not far to Turkland, where Odin had great possessions. In those times the Roman chiefs went wide around in the world, subduing to themselves all people; and on this account many chiefs fled from their domains. But Odin having foreknowledge, and magic-sight, knew that his posterity would come to settle and dwell in the northern half of the world. He therefore set his brothers Ve and Vilje over Asgaard; and he himself, with all the gods and a great many other people, wandered out, first westward to Gardarike, and then south to Saxland. He had many sons; and after having subdued an extensive kingdom in Saxland, he set his sons to rule the country. He himself went northwards to the sea, and took up his abode in an island which is called Odins in Fyen. Then he sent Gefion across the sound to the north to discover new countries...
From "5. ODIN DIVIDES HIS KINGDOM: ALSO CONCERNING GEFION".

Where is this supposed "Turkland"? I'm thinking it must be Central Asia. Does anyone know where all of these places refer to? I guess Gardarike partially refers to a smaller Russia but including Belarus and Ukraine. If anyone knows anything of importance, please share what you know.

By "great mountain barrier from north-east to south- west", did Snorri mean the Ural mountains?

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The Germanic tribes cames from Germany, unless you want to count southern Europe before the ice melted, Asia before the migration to Europe and NE Africa and Southern Africa before that.
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The Germanic tribes cames from Germany, unless you want to count southern Europe before the ice melted, Asia before the migration to Europe and NE Africa and Southern Africa before that.
Not exactly. It's actually only the northernmost part of Germany and Denmark (and perhaps southernmost parts of Sweden). That's considered the region of the ethnogenesis.
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Not exactly. It's actually only the northernmost part of Germany and Denmark (and perhaps southernmost parts of Sweden). That's considered the region of the ethnogenesis.
Very good answer.
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Having read Snorri Sturlason's Heimskringla, I noted some interesting points that made me think about the origins of the Germanic people. While reading the Ynglinga Saga I came upon the following:



From "5. ODIN DIVIDES HIS KINGDOM: ALSO CONCERNING GEFION".

Where is this supposed "Turkland"? I'm thinking it must be Central Asia. Does anyone know where all of these places refer to? I guess Gardarike partially refers to a smaller Russia but including Belarus and Ukraine. If anyone knows anything of importance, please share what you know.

By "great mountain barrier from north-east to south- west", did Snorri mean the Ural mountains?

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The Carpathian mountains. The Getae became the Goths who were "educated" by the Dacian priest Deceneus (according to Jordannes). Genetically I am deeply rooted in Romania (autosomal dna from both sides of family) and the Germanic europe sub group is a close second place for genetic affinity (after the balkan one). Before, the Dacians (Getae) were Thracians and were known for their large bodies and red hair and blue eyes according to Herodotus, as well as being the most numerous people on earth after the Indians, and if united easily the most powerful.
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Not exactly. It's actually only the northernmost part of Germany and Denmark (and perhaps southernmost parts of Sweden). That's considered the region of the ethnogenesis.

Only if one is a disiple of ethnogenesis.
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Only if one is a disiple of ethnogenesis.
Right. But wasn't a sort of proto-Germanic language spoken in southern Scandinavia and extreme northern modern-day Germany before any such thing was spoken anywhere else? That's what I had been given to understand.

Of course, that in and of itself wouldn't tell us anything about the "DNA" of any particular speaker of that language back them. But wouldn't there be some sort of correlation between the two, especially prior to, say, 200 BC?
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Oh. I was just nipping a post on racial history in the bud and later one on ethnology.
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Right. But wasn't a sort of proto-Germanic language spoken in southern Scandinavia and extreme northern modern-day Germany before any such thing was spoken anywhere else? That's what I had been given to understand.
Yes.

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Of course, that in and of itself wouldn't tell us anything about the "DNA" of any particular speaker of that language back them. But wouldn't there be some sort of correlation between the two, especially prior to, say, 200 BC?
Perhaps even a few centuries earlier.
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My research leads me to believe that Germanics came from Southern Sweden, and of course before that from the first settlement of Indo-European peoples, where ever that is.
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