Originally Posted by beorna
I didn't see this before
Ähm, well. The SA had 3.5 million members at those days. I am quite sure they weren't all gay and shot
But serious. There is a lot of misconception about SS and SA. The SA was never really controlled by Hitler. The roots lay in bavarian Free korps, the leaders were usually former soldiers of the Imperial army or exactly th bavarian army. The SS was founded as body guards of Hitler, because Hitler didn't trust the SA and its leaders. The clique around Röhm was indeed gay or at least bi-sexual. They had orgies and Röhm had stooges, which searched for youg boys for his sex parties. So it was an early form of bunga bunga
. They were indeed branded as homosexuals after the putsch, but not because this was the reason for the putsch, the SS used it just as excuse. A lot knew about it before and simply ignored it.
Its not like the SS was short of gay members themselves.
The anti-gay thing was mostly an obsession of the Prussian ruling class and was introduced by Kaiser Wilhelm on German unification, Roehm was based in Bavaria which had a far more relaxed attitude about it.
Which is odd because Berlin was one of the most gay friendly cities in europe or the world, there were hundreds of gay clubs and the gay nationalist scene was thriving with abeleif that being gay made you the intellectual and physical elite of the white races in the tradition od the Spartans and the Theban sacred band. Look up Adolf Brand.
The Nazi party was in a constant civil war between the back to nature purists who wanted free love, nudism and getting in touch with the earth and restoring Germany to an agricultural warrior/farmer utopia and the conservative kirche, kinder kuche nationalists who wanted to get rid of all that thing.
Brands idea of older men grooming young boys in old Spartan style look particularly creepy today and werent much better back then, Roehm didnt care about anybody, he loved fighting and conflict so annoying staid society with outrageause homosexuality and causing fights was his idea of heaven.
The long knives were out for both men, all they needed was for Hitler to give permission and he did once he'd been fed the idea Roehm was plotting a coup.