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Old April 11th, 2014, 09:31 PM   #111
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From a racial point of view: When I visited the UK for the first time I instantly noticed how the people didn't look like regular northern europeans I had on my mind, a lot of diversity in terms looks, the average being towards plain brown hair and not too tall people as I expected, quite a few of them have almost black hair and resemble mediterranean populations, yes Im talking about ethnic english, scottish and welsh people, not the recent foreigners. Im of southern european extraction and I didnt felt too out of place in the way I did in Scandinavia, Netherlands or even germany(mainly the north) where I had to look up at the people all the time and was quite surprised how many blonde nordic looking people they had, not something Im used back home

From a cultural point of View:

The brits seem polite, less direct than say dutch or germans, their idosincrasy is different, you can make a lot of supericial friends but you never know who are your real friends, neither you exactly know what people think about you. British also seem to have more in common among the french in many things than they do with the other northern europeans (lets say scandinavians/dutch/germans).

I think the Brits are only germanic because of the language they speak, however they are a big mix of people and culture (similar to france but with a more insular looks and identity, although shared with Ireland), they arent the family-look society where other northern european countries fit rightly in. The bulk of british people seem to be less neat and more spontaneous, they are probably to the northern european world what the french are to the southern european one.
The English language is Germanic and the closest language to it is Frisian, part of the Ingvaeonic languages which were in times past closer to the North Germanic(Norse) group than Old Frankish from which Dutch and High German originate from. The culture of the British is quite Germanic in nature, and the British are not as polite as you may think. They may be quite aggressive, why do you think they built the largest empire known to mankind so far (the British Empire)? Why do you think the French don't like them and nicknamed them "ze ugly Englishman". To remind you some history again, the British were the only Europeans who stood up to the Germans in WWII, their Germanic cousins from the other side of the North Sea. They are also quite innovative, industrious the Industrial Revolution started in Britain, mainly England!
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Old April 11th, 2014, 09:58 PM   #112
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From a racial point of view: When I visited the UK for the first time I instantly noticed how the people didn't look like regular northern europeans I had on my mind, a lot of diversity in terms looks, the average being towards plain brown hair and not too tall people as I expected, quite a few of them have almost black hair and resemble mediterranean populations, yes Im talking about ethnic english, scottish and welsh people, not the recent foreigners. Im of southern european extraction and I didnt felt too out of place in the way I did in Scandinavia, Netherlands or even germany(mainly the north) where I had to look up at the people all the time and was quite surprised how many blonde nordic looking people they had, not something Im used back home

From a cultural point of View:

The brits seem polite, less direct than say dutch or germans, their idosincrasy is different, you can make a lot of supericial friends but you never know who are your real friends, neither you exactly know what people think about you. British also seem to have more in common among the french in many things than they do with the other northern europeans (lets say scandinavians/dutch/germans).

I think the Brits are only germanic because of the language they speak, however they are a big mix of people and culture (similar to france but with a more insular looks and identity, although shared with Ireland), they arent the family-look society where other northern european countries fit rightly in. The bulk of british people seem to be less neat and more spontaneous, they are probably to the northern european world what the french are to the southern european one.
Now the Germanic Y-Dna which is prevalent in populations of Denmark, Northern Germany, the Netherlands has been found to be common among white British males. At least half/50% of British males have the same Y-Dna sequence as the Danes, northern Germans. In Eastern England, it's higher than half, O.K., but becomes lower as one ventures into Wales which is highly Celtic.
In the map below, we see the influence of the Germanic Y-Dna("Frisian), mostly of Anglo-Saxon derivation in the British Isles male populations.
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Old April 12th, 2014, 02:32 PM   #113
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From a racial point of view: When I visited the UK for the first time I instantly noticed how the people didn't look like regular northern europeans I had on my mind, a lot of diversity in terms looks, the average being towards plain brown hair and not too tall people as I expected, quite a few of them have almost black hair and resemble mediterranean populations, yes Im talking about ethnic english, scottish and welsh people, not the recent foreigners. Im of southern european extraction and I didnt felt too out of place in the way I did in Scandinavia, Netherlands or even germany(mainly the north) where I had to look up at the people all the time and was quite surprised how many blonde nordic looking people they had, not something Im used back home

From a cultural point of View:

The brits seem polite, less direct than say dutch or germans, their idosincrasy is different, you can make a lot of supericial friends but you never know who are your real friends, neither you exactly know what people think about you. British also seem to have more in common among the french in many things than they do with the other northern europeans (lets say scandinavians/dutch/germans).

I think the Brits are only germanic because of the language they speak, however they are a big mix of people and culture (similar to france but with a more insular looks and identity, although shared with Ireland), they arent the family-look society where other northern european countries fit rightly in. The bulk of british people seem to be less neat and more spontaneous, they are probably to the northern european world what the french are to the southern european one.
D.Cameron is the average British, with light to medium brown hair, light blue eyes and pale skin complexion, is Northern European. He looks more on the Celtic side with sharp features.
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What is "Frisian Y chromosome segment" ??? I have never heard about the existence of such thing.

The most numerous Y chromosome haplogroup in England and in entire Britain is R1b (in England it has a frequency of 67%):

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Average faces (English men have rather dark hair on average, as you can see):

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Women (English women have a lot brighter hair than English men on average):

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Average German (left) compared to average Swede (right):

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Hair colours in Germany (detailed):

http://www.haar-und-psychologie.de/h...utschland.html

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And:

http://unsafeharbour.wordpress.com/2...yes-in-europe/

Hair colours in Europe (map):

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Eye colours in Europe (map):

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Old April 12th, 2014, 03:24 PM   #115
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I dont know about the genetics but when I went to the UK I didnt see a huge difference phenotypically wise between english, welsh or scots, they all looked very similar in the layman perspective .. However they look remarkedly different to Scandinavians, Dutch or Even germans, which led me to think the germanic and celtic influences where more of a cultural/linguistical side, rather than a ethnic/racial replacement , because the bulk of the British Islanders have always remained the same as the Paleolithic inhabitants of the UK were 10 thousand of years ago. Britain (even England) doesnt have anything of germanic but the English language.

I can attest the women in the UK a are nowhere as hot as the women in the germanic european countries, and most of their blondes (I would go as high as 80-90%) are bleached.
It is only because you are not familiar with British people and also that since the 1800's there has been much population movements to and fro all over Britain. So it has become somewhat harder to tell the distinctions between English/Cornish/Welsh/Scottish which were more clearer in times past.
It's true that the typical English people have sandy or dark blonde hair, probably the pigmentation inherited of their ancestors who settled lowland Britain beginning in the 5th century(Anglo-Saxons). There are many English people who are naturally blonde/light-haired. Traditionally England is the lightest-haired country in British Isles. Not all Germans/Dutch/Danes are blonde either.
Examples from English rugby players.
Tom Croft
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Tom Rees(English+Welsh ancestry)
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Joe Carlisle
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Stuart Abbott
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Joe Lewsey
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Tom Catterick
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Iain Balshaw
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Olly Morgan
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Tim Taylor
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Jamie Noon
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James Percival
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Lewis Moody
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Shane Geraghty(Irish+English ancestry)
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Peter Richards
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"According to a 2010 study including over 8000 samples, light eyes(including light-mixed eyes) in Europe reach greatest distribution in Finland(at 89%), followed in descending order by Sweden, Norway(88%); Estonia, Denmark(85%); Latvia, Ireland(83%); Scotland(80%); Lithuania(78%); The Netherlands(76%); Belarus, England(74%); Germany(70%); Poland, Wales(68%); Russia, The Czech Republic(65%); Slovakia(63%); Belgium(60%); Austria, Switzerland, Ukraine(53%); France, Slovenia(50%); Hungary(43%); Croatia(40%); Bosnia and Herzegovina(38%); Romania(33%); Italy(30%); Serbia, Bulgaria(28%); Spain(25%); Georgia, Portugal(23%); Albania(20%); Turkey and Greece(18%). Analysis of the results demonstrates that the overall average frequency of light eyes in Europe is 50%, with 68% in Northern Europe and 30% in Southern Europe." (...) "According to research in 1955, the percentage of Poles with light eyes reaches 72.4%."

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"According to the same research, pure blue eyes in Europe approach greatest frequency in Finland, Sweden and Norway(at 72%), followed by Estonia, Denmark(69%); Latvia, Ireland(66%); Scotland(63%); Lithuania(61%); The Netherlands(58%); Belarus, England(55%); Germany(53%); Poland, Wales(50%); Russia, The Czech Republic(48%); Slovakia(46%); Belgium(43%); Austria, Switzerland, Ukraine(37%); France, Slovenia(34%); Hungary(28%); Croatia(26%); Bosnia and Herzegovina(24%); Romania(20%); Italy(18%); Serbia, Bulgaria(17%); Spain(15%); Georgia, Portugal(13%); Albania(11%); Turkey and Greece(10%). Further analysis shows that the average occurrence of blue eyes in Europe is 34%, with 50% in Northern Europe and 18% in Southern Europe."
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England 74%? At least half of the people in the UK are browned-eyed from what I observed.

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I dont know about the genetics but when I went to the UK I didnt see a huge difference phenotypically wise between english, welsh or scots, they all looked very similar in the layman perspective .. However they look remarkedly different to Scandinavians, Dutch or Even germans, which led me to think the germanic and celtic influences where more of a cultural/linguistical side, rather than a ethnic/racial replacement , because the bulk of the British Islanders have always remained the same as the Paleolithic inhabitants of the UK were 10 thousand of years ago. Britain (even England) doesnt have anything of germanic but the English language.

I can attest the women in the UK a are nowhere as hot as the women in the germanic european countries, and most of their blondes (I would go as high as 80-90%) are bleached.
There are plenty of naturally blonde-haired women in England, similar to those we see in Northern European countries, but though those with brown hair are more numerous. The ratio is higher than in France, much higher than in Southern Europe, for sure.
Examples:
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Emma Bunton(North London) She's so hot!
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Jennifer Hawkins
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Justine Greening(Rotherham, England)
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Esther McVeigh(Liverpool, England)
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Tessa Munt( Surrey, England)
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Fran Hallsall(liverpool)
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Katy Livinston(Yorkshire)
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Katharine Merry(Warwickshire)
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Old April 12th, 2014, 05:10 PM   #118
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What is "Frisian Y chromosome segment" ??? I have never heard about the existence of such thing.

The most numerous Y chromosome haplogroup in England and in entire Britain is R1b (in England it has a frequency of 67%):

View image: Haplogroups Britain

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Average faces (English men have rather dark hair on average, as you can see):

http://s9.postimg.org/78muqnyzx/Bez_tytu_u.png

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Women (English women have a lot brighter hair than English men on average):

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Average German (left) compared to average Swede (right):

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Hair colours in Germany (detailed):

Haarfarben Statistik Häufigkeiten blond braun schwarz rot Haarfarbenstatistik Deutschland

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And:

Distribution of light hair and eyes in Europe | unsafe harbour

Hair colours in Europe (map):

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Eye colours in Europe (map):

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Oh well too bad. It has been nicknamed "Frisian" only due to the fact that there is no genetical distinction between the people of Friesland and those towns of Central England, where the highest frequency of Germanic genes in England are found. Since Frisia was one of the area from which the Anglo-Saxons also came from, thus Frisian Dna. Actually Old English and Old Frisian were very similar Western Germanic languages. The Y-chromosome sequences were studied by the University College of London in 2011, which concluded that at least half of the British Y-chromosome Dna is identical to those of the Danes and northern Germans!
The maps that you have shown are archaic( sorry to say so and less precise) but nevertheless not too bad, but are based very old anthropology by Coon, Hojer, etc... Used by Peter Frost.
This is a much precise genetical map based on the average of 3 genes which are responsible for light hair and eyes. If you look at Britain, you'll see that it is similar to countries in Northern Europe and then look at countries in Southern Europe, don't you see that they're darker?

Light hair and light eyes genetical distribution in European populations.
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which concluded that at least half of the British Y-chromosome Dna is identical to those of the Danes and northern Germans!
I would be careful with such studies because modern Danes and modern Northern Germans do not have the same frequencies of Y-DNA chromosomes as Early Medieval Anglo-Saxons or Frisians. Both groups are the result of extensive migrations, assimilations and mixing with others.

Moreover, Y chromosome and X chromosome are the non-coding part of DNA, which means that they are not responsible for any features like hair colour, etc. (just saying this, as some people might think so after they see the pictures you post combined with what you write).

The other 22 pairs of chromosomes are responsible for such features. And you inherit them partially from all your ancestors, not just parents.

Y and X chromosomes only determine sex of a person (XY man XX woman) and are inherited from father (Y or X) and from mother (X).

Mitochondrial DNA - inherited from mother - is also the non-coding part of DNA. It is only responsible for "energy management" in cells.

Even a person with - for example - "typically African" Y chromosome DNA - can have blue eyes and blond hair.

That's because genes are inherited not only from "carrier" of Y chromosome but from all ancestors.

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Theodoric the Great (Ostrogothic king) and Alaric (Visigothic king) according to tradition / legends, both had red hair.

Below is a realistic portrait of Theodoric the Great - from his personal signet ring (found in Bern, Switzerland):

Unfortunately we can't see what was his hair colour from this signet ring (but facial features are realistically portrayed):

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Here another one, but less realistic (less specific features, from a coin and not from a signet):

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