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Old March 16th, 2014, 10:48 AM   #21
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(whether the definition of race was given by them or not, it does not matter).
Well - apparently all German-speaking guys were "Aryan ex officio".

The same - being "Aryan ex officio" - applied to all allies of Nazi Germany. Including Slavic Croats and Slovaks.

On the other hand, in case of Non-German enemies, they were measuring skulls, etc.

That "science" only resulted in "discovering" that a substantial number of Dirty Slavs had "physical attributes of the Aryan race".

That led to kidnapping children from families and transporting them to Germany for Germanization, as well as to the invention of the Volksliste. Etc.

In some regions signing the Volksliste was compulsory for all locals (they were recognized as "Germans ex officio"), in other regions it was voluntary.

And nobody was applying this "science" to ethnic German-speaking people. They were "Aryans ex officio" - nobody was measuring their skulls.
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For some reason Gauleiter Forster recognized Poles in Danzig-Westpreussen region as Germans.

Joining the Volksliste in that region was compulsory (it did not apply only to those Poles who were executed or expelled).

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Well - apparently all German-speaking guys were "Aryan ex officio".

The same - being "Aryan ex officio" - applied to all allies of Nazi Germany. Including Slavic Croats and Slovaks.

On the other hand, in case of Non-German enemies, they were measuring skulls, etc.

That "science" only resulted in "discovering" that a substantial number of Dirty Slavs had "physical attributes of the Aryan race".

That led to kidnapping children from families and transporting them to Germany for Germanization, as well as to the invention of the Volksliste. Etc.

In some regions signing the Volksliste was compulsory for all locals (they were recognized as "Germans ex officio"), in other regions it was voluntary.

And nobody was applying this "science" to ethnic German-speaking people. They were "Aryans ex officio" - nobody was measuring their skulls.
You don't have to prove it to me that Germans as a whole don't form a single united race, you just have to take a look at the typical Nordic Germans near the Danish border and the ones in Austria.
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you just have to take a look at the typical Nordic Germans near the Danish border
You mean those descendants of Germanized Wends, Wagrians, Obotrites, Polabians and Drawänen ???

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You mean those descendants of Germanized Obotrites, Polabians and Veleti ???
No, I'm talking about the stereotypical Germans living in Northern Germany.
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The same - being "Aryan ex officio" - applied to all allies of Nazi Germany. Including Slavic Croats and Slovaks.
I remember reading somewhere that during the Ustacha period Croatians re-created their national history and traced their origin back to Goths.
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Nazi ideology wasn't based on economics like capitalism and socialism are, it was based on race, so comparing Socialism with Nazism is flawed.
I may agree with the fact that Fascist movements have always been vague and generic regarding economic issues, but I think that actually both Mussolini and Hitler had a vision of a new economic model, which had to go beyond capitalism and socialism. Fascist and Nazi corporatism was against class struggle, but it also promoted a State-guided economy where all social classes had to cooperate in the name of the Nation. So the boss and the worker are both "kameraden" who have to aim at the national well-being, and their work should be rooted on blood and soil. On the other hand many classic liberal thinkers (like Von Hayek) focused on the similarities between this two movements. I was just reading a passage from "The Road to Serfdom" where Von Hayek refers to a speech made by Hitler in february 1941, where the German dictator points out that "national-socialism and marxism are basically the same thing" (Bullettin of International News, published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs, vol. XVIII, n. 5, p. 269). Maybe we should consider that this quote is from the 1939-1941 period, which followed the Molotov-Von Ribbentrop agreement, but it was also just a few months before the invasion of Russia.
Both national-socialism and socialism disliked the bourgeois (for different reason), and they wanted to destroy parliamentary and representative democracy.

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This "stereotypical Germans living in Northern Germany" are who exactly ???

BTW:

Haarfarben Statistik Häufigkeiten blond braun schwarz rot Haarfarbenstatistik Deutschland

Distribution of hair colours (10 different colours) in North, Central and South Germany:

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Distribution of hair colours in Europe (I guess as "light hair" they count: hellblond, mittelblond, dunkelblond and maybe also hellbraun ???):

Distribution of light hair and eyes in Europe | unsafe harbour

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And:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4641067/1/

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(I guess as "light hair" they count: hellblond, mittelblond, dunkelblond and maybe also hellbraun ???):
Well, surely they count the first 3 groups - hellblond, mittelblond and dunkelblond - as light hair in that map.

Because without "dunkelblond", there would be only 24,1% men and 27,3% women with "light hair" in Northern Germany.

And the map shows Northern Germany as "50% to 60%" of light hair category (just like most of Poland and Belarus - by the way).

According to the chart, with "dunkelblond", it is 50,9% for men and 55,2% for women (average 53,05% for both sexes).

With also "hellbraun" included, figures rise to 56,9% for men and 64,6% for women (average for both sexes, 60,75%).

So probably they don't count "hellbraun" as light hair in that map, because with "hellbraun" it would already be slightly over 60%.

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This "stereotypical Germans living in Northern Germany" are who exactly ???
e. g. German Comedian Otto Waalkes, an ethnical East Frisian:

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from left to right: Otto and the guy from the Ice Age Movie

I know from my personal experience* that the stereotypical Dutchman/Dutchwoman looks like the stereotypical Northern German / Dane / Swede / Norwegian / Fin etc. (et vice versa).

(*I'm quite often in the Netherlands and I love the country.)

I tried to understand this racial stuff and after a while I had a terrible headache. Then I came to the conclusion that the racial concept of the Nazis was rubbish and had terrible consequences for a lot of people.
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