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Old July 13th, 2014, 08:38 PM   #1
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Is Holocaust participation considered collaboration or is genocide a separate

and significantly worst crime?
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Old July 14th, 2014, 03:30 AM   #2

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You probably should be more specific.
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You know Vichy State have a Anti Semitic tradition but is a anti semetisms "a la francaise"
As soon as it had been established, Pétain's government took measures against the so-called “undesirables”: Jews, métèques (immigrants), Freemasons, Communists — inspired by Charles Maurras' conception of the “Anti-France”, or “internal foreigners”, which Maurras defined as the “four confederate states of Protestants, Jews, Freemasons and foreigners” — but also Gypsies, homosexuals, and, in a general way, any left-wing activist. Vichy imitated the racial policies of the Third Reich and also engaged in natalist policies aimed at reviving the “French race”, although these policies never went as far as the eugenics program implemented by the Nazis.

As soon as the “French state” was proclaimed by Pétain, the internment camps already opened by the Third Republic were put to a new use, before ultimately inserting themselves as necessary transit camps for the implementation of the Holocaust and the extermination of all “undesirables,” including the Roma people who refer to the extermination of Gypsies as Porrajmos.

In North Africa algeria numerous jews were imprisoned in internment camps in the south of Algeria in the Sahara desert
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Alexis Carrel had previously published in 1935 the best-selling book titled L'Homme, cet inconnu (Man, This Unknown). Since the early 1930s, Alexis Carrel advocated the use of gas chambers to rid humanity of its “inferior stock,” endorsing the scientific racism discourse. One of the founder of these pseudoscientifical theories had been Arthur de Gobineau in his 1853-1855 essay titled An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races. In the 1936 preface to the German edition of his book, Alexis Carrel had added a praise to the eugenics policies of the Third Reich, writing that:

“(t)he German government has taken energetic measures against the propagation of the defective, the mentally diseased, and the criminal. The ideal solution would be the suppression of each of these individuals as soon as he has proven himself to be dangerous.”

Carrel also wrote in his book that:

“(t)he conditioning of petty criminals with the whip, or some more scientific procedure, followed by a short stay in hospital, would probably suffice to insure order. Those who have murdered, robbed while armed with automatic pistol or machine gun, kidnapped children, despoiled the poor of their savings, misled the public in important matters, should be humanely and economically disposed of in small euthanasic institutions supplied with proper gasses. A similar treatment could be advantageously applied to the insane, guilty of criminal acts.”
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Old July 14th, 2014, 03:46 AM   #5

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Is Holocaust participation considered collaboration or is genocide a separate and significantly worst crime?
So you mean a Dutchman revealing the whereabouts of Jewish people in the Netherlands to Nazi officials (for example) and if it's not "just" collaboration but a far worse crime?
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Is a genocide of course .A genocide by German Nazi and with the collaboration of numerous other europeans movments or individual
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I think the poster is asking if participating in the Holocaust is considered collaborating with the Nazis, or is it a crime separate from the political act of siding with the regime, a crime that we would dub "genocide."

Alternately, he may be asking if telling people where Jews are hiding is as bad as doing the killing yourself. That's a question for the philosophers, though you're clearly insuring the destruction of the people involved.

Personally? Yes, I consider participating in the Holocaust collaborating with the Nazis. The Nazis had made it a specific goal to kill every undesirable they could get their hands on, and if you willfully divulge the hiding place of Anne Frank or help shoot Jews at Babi Yar, you are willingly giving aid to the regime in the fulfillment of that goal.
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