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Old February 1st, 2017, 07:48 AM   #91
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Well, German was one of the official languages of Sweden. The royal court in Stocholm was the most northerly GERMAN court in Europe.
In 18th century, St. Petersburg was arguably more German than Stockholm - and more northerly.
Yes - in a certain sense Denmark and Sweden were just more German Protestant small states.
But there was throughout middle ages a certain perception of separateness. Denmark and Sweden were formally outside Holy Empire. And the rulers of Denmark and, since 16th century, Sweden, insisted on the title "King" - banned in Germany. Although in 1701, Prussia taking title of King diluted the distinctiveness of Nordic countries.
Important distinctive traits of Sweden included lack of serfdom when it existed in Germany.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 07:57 AM   #92
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Are Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia more Germanic or are they more Nordic?
Baltic States are not Germanic at all! German blood did not account to anything there. They are East Europids! These people of these countries belong to the East Baltid types mainly the Tavastid (Neo-Danubian+Borreby blend).
Tavastid physical traits are:
- bracycephaly
- large heads
- low foreheads
- head and body is larger than all the other East Europid types.
- (midly) leptorrhine, concave, snub-nosed.
- relatively flat and squarish-faced
- wide-jawed with prominent malars
- pale skin
- straight, (usually) blonde hair
- light eyes
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Old February 25th, 2017, 05:03 AM   #93

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Let us look at history. The Teutonic knights went into Latvia and Estonia and established themselves as the rulers. They had an impact. The Finnish culture was huge in Estonia. Tribes kept clashing with Slavs in the area. Poland took over and joined with Lithuania to dominate in Latvia and Estonia but they remember the Swedes as the best bringing fair administration and lack of corruption ( they never had a feudal system) for about 80 years. So who had the most impact? The obvious answer is an amalgamation which we can only hope will help them in combination with their native culture. This is what made the Baltics the Baltics.
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A mix of slavic,baltic,ugric and germanic i would say.
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Are Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia more Germanic or are they more Nordic?
Germanic is a linguistic type, Nordic is a phenotype (face and body type) and is misused if applied to Scandinavians. The Nordic/Nordid is was the phenotype of the Corded Ware Culture and Nordics spread to Scandinavia from it. The [West] Nordics are not pure, but a watered down/mixed version of the pure Nordics. Russia is much more "Nordic" than Scandinavia and the East Nordids are the original Corded Ware phenotype.

The Basic differences are Nordids have: straight noses; sloping foreheads and broader faces while East Nordids have: convex noses; straighter foreheads and more narrow faces.

Assuming you meant Germanic or Scandinavian the Baltic states are very slightly closer to Scandinavians physically than to Germans. Culturally the Baltic States have their own cultures not related to either Germanic or Scandinavian Cultures.
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Germanic is a linguistic type, Nordic is a phenotype (face and body type) and is misused if applied to Scandinavians. The Nordic/Nordid is was the phenotype of the Corded Ware Culture and Nordics spread to Scandinavia from it. The [West] Nordics are not pure, but a watered down/mixed version of the pure Nordics. Russia is much more "Nordic" than Scandinavia and the East Nordids are the original Corded Ware phenotype.

The Basic differences are Nordids have: straight noses; sloping foreheads and broader faces while East Nordids have: convex noses; straighter foreheads and more narrow faces.

Assuming you meant Germanic or Scandinavian the Baltic states are very slightly closer to Scandinavians physically than to Germans. Culturally the Baltic States have their own cultures not related to either Germanic or Scandinavian Cultures.
Racial theory is pure bullshit tbh
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Are Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia more Germanic or are they more Nordic?
They are neither.
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My apologies for any perceived thread hijack, I just happen to have an anecdote that pertains to this question.

A friend of mine (Latvian) stated that there are Germanic influences as far as culture is concerned in Latvia (formerly Lettland) and Estonia (Estland). For instance, he stated that the German toast 'Prost' is still occasionally used in Latvia.

On a tangenital note, I'd like to ask if that is true (the Prost thing).

The Baltics, again from my own research, are just that, the Baltics. They have influences from the various surrounding nations that at one point ruled over them, but they still have their own, unique, cultures.
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I'm unclear about Latvia ,
Estonia is the southern part of the Finns ,
Lithuania has ferociously resisted Christianity and its armed messengers been the last European country to convert .
but what of Latvia ?
do they hold a common historical past or is it just the Riga hinterland plus German barons ?
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In the case of Latvia, my friend asserts that the German influence is quite substantial due to six centuries of German presence.

Wikipedia states that in Latvia (article here) that the oldest surnames of the nation are German due to six centuries of German rule begun by the Teutonic Order.

Again, referring to the anecdote from my conversation with my Latvian buddy, Latvia has fairly strong German influences. He even says that it is still customary for Latvians to say 'Prost' (a traditional German toast) when toasting. I would like some verification on this, after all I have the grand total of one source on the subject.
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