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Old July 17th, 2016, 03:47 PM   #41
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Are Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia more Germanic or are they more Nordic?
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Basically, the Baltic States are neithe Germanic nor Nordic. Some of the Baltic countries speak their own Indo-European languages that are neither Slavic, nor Germanic, nor Celtic, but their own IE family group. One Baltic country speaks a language in the same family group as Finnish, which is non Indo Eorpean.

While Germans from the Teutonic knights did rule part of the Baltic states for many centuries, the Russians also ruled the Baltic countries recently. The Poles and Baltic state Lithuanians had a large joint nation in the medieval ages. I would say Slavs like the Poles had as big an influence on the Baltic states.

However, since there were German elites living in thr Baltic states for centuries, I would say the Gernans had more influence, i.e., the Baltic states were more Germanic than Nordic. Just keep in mind the Baltic states were not Germanic or Nordic.

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Oh, I see that I already replied.

Basically, the Baltic States are neithe Germanic nor Nordic. Some of the Baltic countries speak their own Indo-European languages that are neither Slavic, nor Germanic, nor Celtic, but their own IE family group. One Baltic country speaks a language in the same family group as Finnish, which is non Indo Eorpean.

While Germans from the Teutonic knights did rule part of the Baltic states for many centuries, the Russians also ruled the Baltic countries recently. The Poles and Baltic state Lithuanians had a large joint nation in the medieval ages. I would say Slavs like the Poles had as big an influence on the Baltic states.

However, since there were German elites living in thr Baltic states for centuries, I would say the Gernans had more influence, i.e., the Baltic states were more Germanic than Nordic. Just keep in mind the Baltic states were not Germanic or Nordic.
How did the Baltic area maintain their ethnic identities after all these foreign rules?
While Manchus were the ruling class, they lost their cultures and language long time ago! Today, Manchu is a nearly extinct language with less than 100 speakers!
A side issue: I wonder if a system-wide spell-checker is available or not? This post contains quite a few typos!
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Is East Germany more Soviet or more Russian ???
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^ I agree that the Balto-Slavic label was created by Russian and Polish imperialists to suppress the Balts.
Really ???

"Eastern European Men School" is a Lithuanian-made YT channel:



And it is more stereotypically Slavic than the Slavicest of all Slavs.

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Proto-Balto-Slavic was reconstructed by linguists, not imperialists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-...lavic_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balto-Slavic_languages

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^ I agree that the Balto-Slavic label was created by Russian and Polish imperialists to suppress the Balts.

Balto-Slavic makes as much sense as Greco-Armenian.
How so? The term "Balto-Slavic" isn't used anywhere appart from linguistics, where it describes the stage when there was a common Balto-Slavic language, before the time it split. From it, you get Baltic languages on one side and proto-Slavic (and later all Slavic languages) on the other side. I never saw it being used in an imperialist way, how should that be done anyway? The whole thing was gone, or better said developed further, before any form of imperialism ever came to be from any Slavic state. Also, one could probably agree that German imperialism did much more harm to Balts than Slavs, judging by the Old Prussians and other extinct Baltic languages and ethnicities.
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From it, you get Baltic languages on one side and proto-Slavic (and later all Slavic languages) on the other side.
Nope, in fact there was a three-way split:

"Some linguists, however, have recently suggested that Balto-Slavic should be split into three equidistant nodes: Eastern Baltic, Western Baltic and Slavic.[4][5] A Proto-Balto-Slavic language is reconstructable by the comparative method, descending from Proto-Indo-European by means of well-defined sound laws, and out of which modern Slavic and Baltic languages descended. One particularly innovative dialect separated from the Balto-Slavic dialect continuum and became ancestral to the Proto-Slavic language, from which all Slavic languages descended.[6]"
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Well, Estonia is Finno-Ugric in language, closest to Finnish and the two languages are mutually intelligible. The Estonians are also religiously Lutheran Protestants, like the Finns — and the Swedes, and the Danes and Norwegians. Linguistically both Estonian and Finnish are very different from Scandinavian, Germanic or even Indoeuropean languages.

While Latvian and Lithuanian are linguistically Baltic, and so quite different from Estonian. And Lithuania is Catholic. Latvia seems pretty evenly divided between Lutheran, Orthodox and Catholic (certain preponderance for Lutheranism).

So, linguistically, no they are rather "un-Germanic" overall. Religiously otoh, Estonia and to a certain extent Latvia shares a religious history with Scandinavia and northern Germany — not least because they share history. Lithuania otoh doesn't share that — they're Catholic and have rather more in common with Polish history.
At the beginning of the 1800s around 84% of ethnic Lithuanians were Catholics, and around 16% of ethnic Lithuanians were Lutherans. However, Lutheran Lithuanians - who lived in Prussian Lithuania* (the part of East Prussia bordering Lithuania) - were subsequently Germanized (in 1800-1945) and in 1945 they left East Prussia, as did other "Germans".

This is why the surviving part of ethnic Lithuanians are about 95-99% Roman Catholic today.

*Prussian Lithuania = the same area as Kaliningrad Oblast (except for its westernmost parts).

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Really ???

"Eastern European Men School" is a Lithuanian-made YT channel:



And it is more stereotypically Slavic than the Slavicest of all Slavs.
Various trash from YouTube can't be taken seriously.
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That is not "trash". That is an advertisement of Mineral Water Vytautaus:

http://www.vytautas.eu/en/

Are you a Western Spy, or a True Balto-Slav ??? You must finally decide:

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Are you a Western Spy, or a True Balto-Slav ??? You must finally decide:

Am I a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopnik"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopnik[/ame]?
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