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Old December 28th, 2015, 08:26 PM   #631
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there have been many DNA tests on the Irish and they are most closely related to Britons
That is what I wrote. And this study shows:

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/07/17/022723
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/e...22723.full.pdf

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I don't know why people are so obsessed with deconstructing the Celts.
I did not try to deconstruct them, who did?
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Old December 28th, 2015, 08:29 PM   #632
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and say that the Celts never existed.
I did not claim this, I rather claimed the opposite.

Were you responding to my post or to the OP ???
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Old December 28th, 2015, 08:52 PM   #633

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I guess I misread your posts then, sorry. But I was also kind of responding to the OP as well.

A lot of people have, as shown in this thread and the Celtic thread on here as well, if you haven't seen it.
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A lot of people have, as shown in this thread and the Celtic thread on here as well, if you haven't seen it.
Yes, I even once saw a website which claims that English language was spoken in England since prehistory and there were no Celts...
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Found it. This website - How old is English

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Let there be no doubt:
* there is no historical proof whatsoever that the Anglo-Saxons imported English.
* there is on the contrary ample evidence that English is native to England.
We will also challenge the very existence of Celts as a distinct people with a distinct language, but not the existence of a Celtic culture. In fact we discovered an error of interpretation of the known facts and sources so big that everybody missed it until today.
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And more strange claims from this website:

How old is English?

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Summary The Anglo-Saxons never imported English
The currently prevailing interpretation of events in the 5th century creates more problems than it solves. Where is the proof that:
Celtic culture is linked with Celtic language?
There was such a thing as 'a Celtic language'
?
Anglo-Saxons changed the language?
In reality, none of those statements have been ever proved. They are all assumptions.(...)
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Found it. This website - How old is English



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A lot of people like that are Germanicists. I know there's one website a friend showed me, I think it's called 'Anglo-Saxon Forum' or something like that, and they basically have an allergic reaction to anything Celtic.

A lot of people like to debate what the word Celtic means. Today, we refer to a very specific group as Celtic and we all on this forum know what it means. It may have been more ambiguous in history, but we all know what it means today.
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The posts above all sound very much like followers of Mick Harper, author of "The History of Britain Revealed: The Shocking Truth About the English Language". He and his followers of Applied Epistemology used to appear on forums with sensational claims and they loved to stick two fingers up at the academics who posted. Evidence was never as problem, the egnlish have always spoken english, the french have always spoken french, the germans always german and thus it has been so since the ice age.

Oh yes, Britain was inhabited during the ice age and when the ice sheet melted and everyone woke up and opened the curtains, they saw a bright new sunny day, heard the clinking of milk bottles being delivered and the post dropping through the letterbox.

Mick loves taking the p*ss and it was an excellent way of marketing a book.

It was all very much in the same vein as the Henry Root Letters. Unfortunately some people don't get the joke but even more frightening is that, some people believe these writings to be serious.

"Yes, that's right, you too can come up with brand new theories and let's face it you haven't produced a single one so far in your rather pedestrian life. Actually, you probably aren't talented enough to be able to do so even after all our efforts. But never mind. You will still experience the unendurable excitement of the chase as you undertake the Applied Epistemological way of learning things and, this we can pretty much guarantee, you will actually help fill in missing pieces in what are still very nascent theories."

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I can say that I've personally met people who actually believe that and that the English (as they are) have always been native to Britain.
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I don't know why people are so obsessed with deconstructing the Celts. They spout off random stuff that everyone already knows (that the Celts weren't one single people; is there anyone who is?) and say that the Celts never existed
I guess I'm one of those 'deconstructing' the Celts,' because they did not exist in the sense many see them. 'Celtic' is a language family. Little more.
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