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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:12 AM   #751
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Originally Posted by Supraorbital View Post

So perhaps both names of the goddess and of the tribe were from a common root meaning "high, lofty, elevated". Maybe cases of god Lugus and tribal names starting with preffix Lug- were also due to common root, not tribes named after god.
In the case of the Brigantes, as authun states we don't really know where the name came from. There are clusters of dedications to the goddess Brigantia within what is usually thought of as Brigantian territory, but there are also other clusters of dedications to other gods (such as Belatucadros) within what is usually assumed to be Brigantian territory. We can also spot other tribal names within Brigantia - including the Setantii, Carvetii, Tectoverdes and possibly the Lopicares.

That the Romans conceived of the Brigantes as a tribe or federation is clear. Ptolemy mentions them and they had a civitas centre at Isurium Brigantum (Aldborough, North Yorkshire).

If the name does not refer to the goddess and instead means 'high', there is a dispute as to whether this means 'High Ones' as in 'superior ones' or 'High Ones' as in 'uplanders'.

'Lug' in place names need not refer to a tribe or gens. Lugdunum (Lyon) means much the same thing as Luguvalium (Carlisle). The name may simply refer to the strength of the fortifications and this appears to be the case for Carlisle, which we know was the civitas of the Carvetii. It appears as both Luguvalium and Civitas Carvetiorum.


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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:44 AM   #752
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Lugdunum (Lyon) means much the same thing as Luguvalium (Carlisle)
Thanks for this info about Carlisle Peter!

There was also Lugidunon / Lugidunum (often hypothesized to be Legnica or Głogów; in Silesia), Lugdunum Batavorum (Leiden; in Southern Holland) and Lugdunum Convenarum (Saint-Bertrand-de-Comminges; in Southwestern France).

As for the Lugii / Lugoi / Lugiones - first written information about those peoples living in Southern Poland, referring to events of the 2nd century BC (from times of the Cimbrian War) can be found in Orosius's "Historiae Adversus Paganos".

There was also a tribe of the same name (Lugi) in Britain, to the east of the Caledonian Forest (per Ptolemy):

LacusCurtius ? Ptolemy's Geography ? Book*II, Chapter*2

from the Lemannonis bay as far as the Varar estuary are the Caledoni, and above these is the Caledonian forest, from which toward the east are the Decantae, and next to these the Lugi extending to the Cornavi boundary, and above the Lugi are the Smertae; below Caledonia are the Vacomagi, among whom are the following towns
And another Celtic tribe of similar name - Luggones - living in northern part of the Iberian Peninsula:


The Transmontani, placed between the Navia River and the central massif of the Picos de Europa, comprised the Cabarci, Iburri, Luggones, Paesici, Paenii, Saelini, Vinciani, Viromenici, Brigaentini and Baedunienses; the Cismontani comprised the Amaci, Cabruagenigi, Lancienses, Lougei, Tiburi, Orniaci, Superatii, Gigurri, Zoelae and Susarri (which dwelled around Asturica Augusta, in the Astura river valley, and was the main Astur town in Roman times). Prior to the Roman conquest in the late 1st century BC, they were united into a tribal federation with the mountain-top citadel of Asturica (Astorga)
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Light blond: A-E.
Blonde: F-L.

Dark blond: M-O.

Light brown: P-Q.
Medium brown: R-T.

Dark brown: U-W.
Black-brown: X
Raven black: Y

Red hair: I-IV.
Red-blond*: V-VI.

*Strawberry blonde (?)

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Have you ever heard the expression "Irish eye" before ???

I have seen claims, that expression "Irish eye" is known in the USA.

And if so, can you tell me which of these is known as "Irish" (if any)?:

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