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Old April 3rd, 2015, 03:42 AM   #11
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Among other motives, Hitler also considered Jews as too influential.

Here is a graph from Charles Murray's 2003 book "Human Accomplishment":

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As you can see according to Charles Murray, after year 1870 Jews were over 20% of what he defines as "significant figures" in Germany, despite being only 0,9% of Germany's population.
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Hitler was an anti-semite in deed, but perhaps not in thought. I've always believed that he held no personal animosity towards them, but merely piggybacked on preexisting hatred for Jewish people once he realised how much it united people behind him.
It was political opportunism, not real hatred.
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Hitler was an anti-semite in deed, but perhaps not in thought. I've always believed that he held no personal animosity towards them, but merely piggybacked on preexisting hatred for Jewish people once he realised how much it united people behind him.
It was political opportunism, not real hatred.
There is nothing to suggest it was anything but hatred, there are countless examples of racists having good individual relations with some people from a minority, but totally hating the minority as an entity

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Hitler was an anti-semite in deed, but perhaps not in thought. I've always believed that he held no personal animosity towards them, but merely piggybacked on preexisting hatred for Jewish people once he realised how much it united people behind him.
It was political opportunism, not real hatred.
It's an interesting idea, but towards the end of the war, Hitler was directing resources away from the front to keep the death camps running. This doesn't sound like political opportunism to me.
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There is nothing to suggest it was anything but hatred.
Considering Hitler allowed Muslims entry into the SS, and met with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - despite the party line that he and his people were racial inferiors - I think it's clear that he was a slave to political expedience before ideology.

Also, removing Rohm and the other radical elements are not the actions of a political zealot, but a pragmatist attempting to appeal to the political centre.

There's plenty in his actions to suggest that all his rhetoric was merely a facade to get the man elected, and he acted to appease the demons he had stirred up. His suicide note, in which he damns the country he supposedly loved for failing him personally, also supports this conclusion.
Nazism was all bunkum, it never meant anything to Hitler.
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Considering Hitler allowed Muslims entry into the SS, and met with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - despite the party line that he and his people were racial inferiors - I think it's clear that he was a slave to political expedience before ideology.

Also, removing Rohm and the other radical elements are not the actions of a political zealot, but a pragmatist attempting to appeal to the political centre.

There's plenty in his actions to suggest that all his rhetoric was merely a facade to get the man elected, and he acted to appease the demons he had stirred up. His suicide note, in which he damns the country he supposedly loved for failing him personally, also supports this conclusion.
Nazism was all bunkum, it never meant anything to Hitler.
From the start of his political career until his death he never wavered from his goal of removing the Jews's from German society by whatever means required.
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From the start of his political career until his death he never wavered from his goal of removing the Jews's from German society by whatever means required.
Because they were a popular target throughout Europe, and he realised he had a good thing going.
As long as he could cast Germany's Jew's as these nefarious, shadowy oligarchs, he could continue to present himself as being anti-establishment and somehow revolutionary - despite being backed by many businessmen, and being incredibly socially conservative when compared to the relative liberalism of the Weimar Republic.
It was a con job from start to finish, I truly believe that.
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Because they were a popular target throughout Europe, and he realised he had a good thing going.
As long as he could cast Germany's Jew's as these nefarious, shadowy oligarchs, he could continue to present himself as being anti-establishment and somehow revolutionary - despite being backed by many businessmen.
It was a con job from start to finish, I truly believe that.
What evidence do you have to support it.
On a lot of things Hitler did show political opportunism but not the "Jewish question", it was a core belief.

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It's an interesting idea, but towards the end of the war, Hitler was directing resources away from the front to keep the death camps running. This doesn't sound like political opportunism to me.
Absolute nonsense.

The war effort always took precedence over the running of concentration camps.

In fact, the camps paid for themselves through the labour of the prisoners.
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