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Old April 6th, 2015, 10:32 PM   #41
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But if this story is true, it means that in 1938 Hitler had no any plans to exterminate the Jews.
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Correct.
Yes--the fact that Hitler and the Nazis still allowed Jewish emigration in 1938 is a good testament to this.
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Let's don't quibble.

A History of the Jews, a list of expulsions for 2000 years

The inventions of machine guns, railroads, poison gas, modern accounting methods, radios, etc, were going to make the mass-murder sprees of the 20th century much worse than those of the earlier centuries even if the Nazis had not been going for the final solution.
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Does not mean Hitler did not hate or not have plan to exterminate Jews, the adoption of some measures that work at cross purposes for a given goal is hardly concrete 100% that that goal is not still a goal for individual concerned.
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But if this story is true, it means that in 1938 Hitler had no any plans to exterminate the Jews.
At that point he had no need to, his policies against the Jewish population within Germany had already reduced their number by about half through emigration.
Hitlers goal was always to remove the Jews from Germany society, only the method to do so changed.
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At that point he had no need to, his policies against the Jewish population within Germany had already reduced their number by about half through emigration.
Hitlers goal was always to remove the Jews from Germany society, only the method to do so changed.
Probably not only from German society, though, but rather from all of Germany.
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At that point he had no need to, his policies against the Jewish population within Germany had already reduced their number by about half through emigration.
Hitlers goal was always to remove the Jews from Germany society, only the method to do so changed.
How did Hitler regard the Jews in Germany:
  • As a religious group?
  • As an ethnic group?
  • Both.
In this sense, could a German Jew, who adopted the Christian religion, be regarded by the authorities as a German?
Actually, what was the definition of a Jew in Germany?
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How did Hitler regard the Jews in Germany:
  • As a religious group?
  • As an ethnic group?
  • Both.
In this sense, could a German Jew, who adopted the Christian religion, be regarded by the authorities as a German?
Actually, what was the definition of a Jew in Germany?
According to Hitler it was someone with Jewish ancestry.
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How did Hitler regard the Jews in Germany:
  • As a religious group?
  • As an ethnic group?
  • Both.
  • He regarded them as a separate race
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In this sense, could a German Jew, who adopted the Christian religion, be regarded by the authorities as a German?
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Anyone who had at least two Jewish grandparents.
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Anyone who had at least two Jewish grandparents.
Incorrect. It was THREE Jewish grandparents.

A person with two Jewish grandparents was a Mischling of the First Degree, and not regarded as Jewish unless a member of the Jewish religious community.

A grandparent was regarded as Jewish if he or she practised the Jewish religion, or was a member of the Jewish religious community.

Thus, although the status of Jew was supposed to be based on physical descent, ultimately it was based on religion.

Suppose a Jewish married couple both convert to Christianity sometime in the 19th Century, and then have a child. That child would be regarded as Christian from birth and not Jewish, even though by descent, or "race", he or she is fully Jewish.

Let us suppose that that child becomes a grandparent of a person living in Germany in 1935. Under the Nuremberg Laws promulgated in that year, that grandparent would not be regarded as Jewish for the purpose of those laws, even though he or she is actually fully Jewish by "race".

As a result, if the other three grandparents of the above person living in Germany in 1935 were not regarded as Jewish, that person would have been classified as fully Aryan, even though strictly speaking he or she was one-quarter Jewish by "race", since one grandparent was fully Jewish by "race", having been born to two parents who were both Jewish before conversion.
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