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Old December 19th, 2015, 07:54 AM   #1

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Lisbon, the third oldest city in Europe!
** According to the current archaeological knowledge, Lisbon is one of the 20 oldest cities in the world, continuously inhabited. And the third oldest in Europe, right after Mantua in Italy and Athens, Greece. Interestingly, Lisbon will be a century older than Cadiz in Spain who likes to proudly bear the title of oldest city in Europe, but the whole does not seem to belong to him.
* In short, Lisbon is the second oldest capital in Europe, right after Athens, being even older than Rome. Even that, Greece and Portugal are linked ...
** As for the Lisbon, its fabulous estuary, was established as a natural location for the establishment of stay in a city since the ancient times, the city that whose geographical location had immediately in itself, all the ingredients necessary for its perpetuation in time. is it true?
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Lisbon, the third oldest city in Europe!
** According to the current archaeological knowledge, Lisbon is one of the 20 oldest cities in the world, continuously inhabited. And the third oldest in Europe, right after Mantua in Italy and Athens, Greece. Interestingly, Lisbon will be a century older than Cadiz in Spain who likes to proudly bear the title of oldest city in Europe, but the whole does not seem to belong to him.
* In short, Lisbon is the second oldest capital in Europe, right after Athens, being even older than Rome. Even that, Greece and Portugal are linked ...
** As for the Lisbon, its fabulous estuary, was established as a natural location for the establishment of stay in a city since the ancient times, the city that whose geographical location had immediately in itself, all the ingredients necessary for its perpetuation in time. is it true?
Been there years ago, a very nice city. It's location by the sea during the hot summer was a refreshing moment, compared to Madrid.
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Been there years ago, a very nice city. It's location by the sea during the hot summer was a refreshing moment, compared to Madrid.
I fully agree.

Madrid - nueve meses de invierno y tres meses de infierno.

(Madrid - nine months of winter and three months of Hell).

Back to the topic: is there any evidence that Lisbon is older than Rome (or any other place in Europe)?
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Been there years ago, a very nice city. It's location by the sea during the hot summer was a refreshing moment, compared to Madrid.
Thank you friend Starkodder by coincidence I also have been in your country Stockholm beautiful city.
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I remember some old remnants such as the fort, old grave coffins including Visigothic ones. And according to some source Lisbon got it's name from Ulysses himself.
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Some of the oldest towns / cities / urban-like settlements in Europe.

Approximate age (in years BCE) : location (country):

7,000 BCE : Choirokoitia (Cyprus)
6,500 BCE : Sesklo (Thessaly, Greece)
6,300 BCE : Vinkovci (Croatia)
6,000 BCE : Starčevo (Serbia)
5,500 BCE : Pločnik (Serbia)
5,000 BCE : Varna (Bulgaria)
5,000 BCE : Hallstatt (Austria)
5,000 BCE : Bratislava (Slovakia)
4,800 BCE : Dimini (Thessaly, Greece)
4,700 BCE : Solnitsata (Bulgaria)
4,500 BCE : Lerna (Peloponnese, Greece)
4,500 BCE : Glauberg (Hesse, Germany)
4,000 BCE : Plovdiv (Bulgaria)
4,000 BCE : Phaistos (Crete, Greece)
3,900 BCE : Michelsberg (Baden, Germany)
3,800 BCE : Dobrovody (Ukraine)
3,700 BCE : Talianki (Ukraine)
3,700 BCE : Maydanets (Ukraine)
3,250 BCE : Kasenovka (Ukraine)
3,200 BCE : Skara Brae (Scotland)
3,000 BCE : Troy (Turkey)
3,000 BCE : Myrtos Pyrgos (Crete, Greece)
3,000 BCE : Akrotiri (Cyprus)
3,000 BCE : Athens (Greece)
2,700 BCE : Knossos (Crete, Greece)
2,500 BCE : Kastri, (Kythera, Greece)
2,300 BCE : Gournia (Crete, Greece)
2,300 BCE : Manika (Euboea, Greece)
2,000 BCE : Mantua (Italy)
2,000 BCE : Bruszczewo (Poland)
1,900 BCE : Mycenae (Greece)
1,900 BCE : Mallia (Crete, Greece)
1,900 BCE : Kato Zakros (Crete, Greece)
1,750 BCE : Maszkowice* (Poland)
1,700 BCE : Arkaim (Russia)
1,650 BCE : Trzcinica (Poland)
1,600 BCE : Hagia Triada (Crete, Greece)
1,600 BCE : Chania (Crete, Greece)
1,400 BCE : Larnaca (Cyprus)
1,300 BCE : Heuneburg (Württemberg, Germany)
1,200 BCE : Lisbon (Portugal)
1,100 BCE : Cadiz (Spain)
1,100 BCE : Chios (North Aegean, Greece)
1,000 BCE : Würzburg (Bavaria, Germany)

The list includes also places with no continuity of habitation.

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*Wall discovered at Maszkowice is also the oldest stone building ever found in Poland (ca. 1,750-1,690 BCE):

"Poland’s Oldest Stone Wall Unearthed in the Carpathians":

http://www.archaeology.org/news/3688...and-stone-wall

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Cagliari in Sardinia dates back to ca. 800 BC, Rome dates back to the 8th century BC.
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Some of the oldest towns / cities / urban-like settlements in Europe.

Approximate age (in years BCE) : location (country):

7,000 BCE : Choirokoitia (Cyprus)
6,500 BCE : Sesklo (Thessaly, Greece)
6,300 BCE : Vinkovci (Croatia)
6,000 BCE : Starčevo (Serbia)
5,500 BCE : Pločnik (Serbia)
5,000 BCE : Varna (Bulgaria)
5,000 BCE : Hallstatt (Austria)
5,000 BCE : Bratislava (Slovakia)
4,800 BCE : Dimini (Thessaly, Greece)
4,700 BCE : Solnitsata (Bulgaria)
4,500 BCE : Lerna (Peloponnese, Greece)
4,500 BCE : Glauberg (Hesse, Germany)
4,000 BCE : Plovdiv (Bulgaria)
4,000 BCE : Phaistos (Crete, Greece)
3,900 BCE : Michelsberg (Baden, Germany)
3,800 BCE : Dobrovody (Ukraine)
3,700 BCE : Talianki (Ukraine)
3,700 BCE : Maydanets (Ukraine)
3,250 BCE : Kasenovka (Ukraine)
3,200 BCE : Skara Brae (Scotland)
3,000 BCE : Troy (Turkey)
3,000 BCE : Myrtos Pyrgos (Crete, Greece)
3,000 BCE : Akrotiri (Cyprus)
3,000 BCE : Athens (Greece)
2,700 BCE : Knossos (Crete, Greece)
2,500 BCE : Kastri, (Kythera, Greece)
2,300 BCE : Gournia (Crete, Greece)
2,300 BCE : Manika (Euboea, Greece)
2,000 BCE : Mantua (Italy)
2,000 BCE : Bruszczewo (Poland)
1,900 BCE : Mycenae (Greece)
1,900 BCE : Mallia (Crete, Greece)
1,900 BCE : Kato Zakros (Crete, Greece)
1,750 BCE : Maszkowice* (Poland)
1,700 BCE : Arkaim (Russia)
1,650 BCE : Trzcinica (Poland)
1,600 BCE : Hagia Triada (Crete, Greece)
1,600 BCE : Chania (Crete, Greece)
1,400 BCE : Larnaca (Cyprus)
1,300 BCE : Heuneburg (Württemberg, Germany)
1,200 BCE : Lisbon (Portugal)
1,100 BCE : Cadiz (Spain)
1,100 BCE : Chios (North Aegean, Greece)
1,000 BCE : Würzburg (Bavaria, Germany)

The list includes also places with no continuity of habitation.

===================================

*Wall discovered at Maszkowice is also the oldest stone building ever found in Poland (ca. 1,750-1,690 BCE):

"Poland’s Oldest Stone Wall Unearthed in the Carpathians":

Poland?s Oldest Stone Wall Unearthed in the Carpathians - Archaeology Magazine

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I don't know if you can call Skara Brae and places like that a city. A settlement yes, but I guess how do you define a "city". To me, a city is more than some buildings.
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^ Skara Brae was perhaps just a town, but for example Talianki was a large city.

The oldest town/city is traditionally Jericho, but recently Tell Qaramel became its rival:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Qaramel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho
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The rock art sites of the Coa Valley [1] (AO 1945: Coa) are located along the banks of the Coa River, especially in the municipality of Vila Nova de Foz Coa. Other municipalities covered: Figueira de Castelo Rodrigo, Mêda and Pinhel.

Form a rare concentration of rock art consists of stone engraving dating from the Upper Paleolithic (22 000-10 000 BC), constituting the oldest record of human activity recording on the world. [Citation needed]

The world heritage enriched in 1994 with the finding of the largest complex of Paleolithic rock art outdoors known today. There are 20 thousand years, man has recorded thousands of drawings of horses and bovines in the schist of the Coa Valley, a tributary of the Douro River in northeastern Portugal. Since August 1996, the Archaeological Park of the Coa Valley organizes visits to some core pictures. [Citation needed]

In the Coa Valley there are hundreds, maybe thousands of pictures of the Paleolithic period. Their study is being conducted by a team of archaeologists coordinated by Mário Varela Gomes and António Martinho Baptista and will take years, perhaps decades.

The engravings are supported by vertical surfaces shale, with preferred exposure to the east. The size of prints varies between 15 cm and 180 cm, although predominate 40-50 cm long. The recording techniques are used to perforation and abrasion, which often coexist with the abrasion regulating the perforation. The strokes are broad, although they are sometimes accompanied by a lot of fine features, which served as a sketch or complemented the previous. In other cases, these fine features draw hardly noticeable ways. There are also prints filled with multiple traits. [Citation needed]

The engravings represent essentially animalistic figures, although it is known a human representation and other abstract. In March 1995, is not yet known representations of signs, characteristic of Paleolithic rock art. The most represented animals are horses and bovine (aurochs). Exclusive in certain nuclei, they can also coexist with goats and deer. The animals appear alone or in combination, constitute authentic panels. The animals representations may overlap more or less thick, but may also be individualized and
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