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Old April 1st, 2016, 09:32 PM   #1
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Evil and "Evil" Kids in History


This discussion is about evil and "evil" Kids in history. Kids are persons younger than eighteen or so when they allegedly did some of their allegedly evil deeds. Evil kids can be ones you consider evil or wicked or believe committed at least one deed you consider evil. "Evil" kids are those you know have been called evil or criminals by at least one person, no matter how good you consider them.

I have seen lists of evil children and teenagers that list only young criminals from recent decades. No doubt there have been many children and teenagers with bad historical reputations, no merely young alleged criminals but also high ranking kids such as young monarchs who could be prototypes for Joffrey Baratheon in A Song of Ice and fire.

So who would you list as an evil or "evil" kid in history?
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Apparently commodes was quite evil in his younger days

Dio Cassius, a first-hand witness, describes him as "not naturally wicked but, on the contrary, as guileless as any man that ever lived. His great simplicity, however, together with his cowardice, made him the slave of his companions, and it was through them that he at first, out of ignorance, missed the better life and then was led on into lustful and cruel habits, which soon became second nature"
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Some would say Edward of Westminster was evil - ordering people executed when he was just seven years old.
However, one must remember that the victims had rebelled against his father, attempted to displace his Mother, and attempted to deny him his rightful inheritances as heir to the English throne. And to deal with traitors in such a manner was expected of him.
But the image of Edward as a spiteful and cruel child has persisted, especially in historical fiction.
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As far as trainwreck emperors go Elagabalus was probably relatively harmless but he did have some executions under his belt, one of which was his teacher when he urged the boy to reign in his lunacy. He apparently also had girls run his chariot around one time.
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As far as trainwreck emperors go Elagabalus was probably relatively harmless but he did have some executions under his belt, one of which was his teacher when he urged the boy to reign in his lunacy. He apparently also had girls run his chariot around one time.
"To help Romans adjust to the idea of having an oriental priest as emperor, Julia Maesa had a painting of Elagabalus in priestly robes sent to Rome and hung over a statue of the goddess Victoria in the Senate House.[22] This placed senators in the awkward position of having to make offerings to Elagabalus whenever they made offerings to Victoria."
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Okay thats funny

Cassius Dio reported that Elagabalus would paint his eyes, epilate his hair and wear wigs before prostituting himself in taverns, brothels, and even in the imperial palace:

Finally, he set aside a room in the palace and there committed his indecencies, always standing nude at the door of the room, as the harlots do, and shaking the curtain which hung from gold rings, while in a soft and melting voice he solicited the passers-by. There were, of course, men who had been specially instructed to play their part. For, as in other matters, so in this business, too, he had numerous agents who sought out those who could best please him by their foulness. He would collect money from his patrons and give himself airs over his gains; he would also dispute with his associates in this shameful occupation, claiming that he had more lovers than they and took in more money

(God damn guy you are a friggen roman emperor for Christ sake)

the emperor complied and on 11 March 222 he publicly presented his cousin along with his own mother, Julia Soaemias. On their arrival the soldiers started cheering Alexander while ignoring Elagabalus, who ordered the summary arrest and execution of anyone who had taken part in this display of insubordination. In response, members of the Praetorian Guard attacked Elagabalus and his mother:

So he made an attempt to flee, and would have got away somewhere by being placed in a chest, had he not been discovered and slain, at the age of 18. His mother, who embraced him and clung tightly to him, perished with him; their heads were cut off and their bodies, after being stripped naked, were first dragged all over the city, then the mother's body was cast aside somewhere or other while his was thrown into the [Tiber]

(What a suprise did not see that coming)
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Some would say Edward of Westminster was evil - ordering people executed when he was just seven years old.
However, one must remember that the victims had rebelled against his father, attempted to displace his Mother, and attempted to deny him his rightful inheritances as heir to the English throne. And to deal with traitors in such a manner was expected of him.
But the image of Edward as a spiteful and cruel child has persisted, especially in historical fiction.
For 7 year-olds, that is not usually evil; they are just too ignorant and unaware of the gravity of such a thing if allowed to do whatever they please. There are exceptions though and usually had suffered some terrible abuse.
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For 7 year-olds, that is not usually evil; they are just too ignorant and unaware of the gravity of such a thing if allowed to do whatever they please. There are exceptions though and usually had suffered some terrible abuse.
I agree. Children are also cruel - they show cruelty to others - just look at bullying for example.

{There are several types of bullying:
The Sports Bully - I am better than you in so-and-so sports / or I am the captain of the sports team and nobody will punish me
Preying on the weaker - this type is being abused or bullied by someone else (whether at home or by a differant bully) so they look to someone they think weaker than themselves and bully them in order to have a better self-image
The Rich Kid bully - my parents are richer than yours, therefore I look down on you / nobody will punish me
The Teacher's pet bully - I am the teacher's favorite, my parents are also teachers, or my daddy is the principal - therefore I can look down on you / nobody will punish me
The hate / love bully - this one is more the type that Jonny likes Susy but he cannot express his feelings, so he pulls Susy's pigtails; if anyone else bothers Susy expect Jonny to stand up for Susy.
Just because you exist bully - there are some children that dislike others just because you exist}


They learn bad behavior from their environment they live in as well as what attention they get from their behavior. If I child sees a candy bar and whines for it long enough, the parents might give them attention - whether it is buying them the candy bar, being told to shut the "f" up, or "wait till we get home."

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Apparently commodes was quite evil in his younger days

Dio Cassius, a first-hand witness, describes him as "not naturally wicked but, on the contrary, as guileless as any man that ever lived. His great simplicity, however, together with his cowardice, made him the slave of his companions, and it was through them that he at first, out of ignorance, missed the better life and then was led on into lustful and cruel habits, which soon became second nature"
The evil story about his youth comes from the less reliable SHA, claiming that when he was in his twelvth year he ordered a slave thrown into a furnace and the other slaves burned a pelt so the stench made him think they had obeyed.
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Old April 3rd, 2016, 09:41 PM   #9
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Talking about Edward of Westminister ordering executionas at age 7:

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For 7 year-olds, that is not usually evil; they are just too ignorant and unaware of the gravity of such a thing if allowed to do whatever they please. There are exceptions though and usually had suffered some terrible abuse.
I think that it is usually very easy for an adult who has made up her mind to get her 7 year old child to make whatever decision she wants him to.

Possibly Margaret played a cruel joke on her prisoners by telling them she would leave their fate up to a sweet and adorable little child, and then asked Edward in a manner which made it clear what she thought should be done, (or even told him privately beforehand).
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As far as trainwreck emperors go Elagabalus was probably relatively harmless but he did have some executions under his belt, one of which was his teacher when he urged the boy to reign in his lunacy. He apparently also had girls run his chariot around one time.
Executing his teacher could count as accidental justice, since he was a traitor, one of the leaders in the rebellion that put Elagabalus on the thrown. It seems that killing Diadumenianus was many, many many times worse a crime.

The worst crime of all was sacrificing children, if it actually happened.
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