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Old May 24th, 2016, 05:31 AM   #331
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Can't help but think of this Monty Python clip.

Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

PFJ Member: Brought peace?

Reg: Oh, peace? SHUT UP!
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Old May 24th, 2016, 06:21 PM   #332

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I believe it is you who has forsaken the context in which he mentioned these things.
Not too sure you are using 'forsaken' correctly there. How can I have abandoned the context of the discussion by pointing out a misunderstanding on your part?

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In any case the debate has long derailed into 'Was British rule good for India ?'.So you point about misinterpretation of debate is invalid here.
Not really because these threads change course all the time and the present topic is a direct development from the OP.
And my point wasn't about misinterpretation of the debate, it was about your misunderstanding of Warwolf's post.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 07:33 PM   #333
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Not too sure you are using 'forsaken' correctly there. How can I have abandoned the context of the discussion by pointing out a misunderstanding on your part?
I think the use of the word here is correct and there is no misunderstanding on my part with regards to his comments. Of course this is subjective in nature and only the OP can clarify his thought but given the context my understating appears closer to reality than yours.

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Not really because these threads change course all the time and the present topic is a direct development from the OP.
And my point wasn't about misinterpretation of the debate, it was about your misunderstanding of Warwolf's post.
You original post does not completely suggest what you have said here.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 07:50 PM   #334
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Industrial economies, the basis of which led to:
Are you seriously suggesting that English language has given us industrial economics. Let's remain within the bound of reason here.

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When met with comments such as ‘What has the English given us?’ followed by listing out things brought about through innovations and changes coming from England, this leads to the same ‘ignorance of readers’ resulting in the lack of ‘sane conversation’.
I was not talking about England but about the English language. At leas read the post properly before going on a diatribe revealing your inherent bias in the process.

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If only you were able to see the irony in that comment.

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The only global Language is the language of money.No country has needed the English language to do business and to progress. Countries do not stop trading with each other if they don't have a common language.
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and global recreation (if nothing else) is still quite an accomplishment.
I am not one of those persons who places 'recreation' above political sovereignty.
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Old May 25th, 2016, 04:01 AM   #335
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Are you seriously suggesting that English language has given us industrial economics. Let's remain within the bound of reason here.
I was not talking about England but about the English language. At leas read the post properly before going on a diatribe revealing your inherent bias in the process.
If only you were able to see the irony in that comment.
The only global Language is the language of money.No country has needed the English language to do business and to progress. Countries do not stop trading with each other if they don't have a common language.
I am not one of those persons who places 'recreation' above political sovereignty.
I was stating as a fact that England gave us industrial economies, if you actually meant ‘English’ and not ‘England’ then your original question makes even less sense. But, if you really need that answered I would simply point to all yours posts being in English and these posts being understood by all the nationalities in this forum, if this still doesn’t make sense then there is nothing else I can do for your education on this.

I’m not placing recreation above sovereignty, if you re-read my post and had quoted the entire paragraph not a few select words, I clearly state I’m only listing the easy to understand aspect’s.

Lastly, money isn’t a language, a language is a language…I can’t put it anymore simply than that. India, as one example, has brought in considerable wealth simply due to English being commonly spoken and understood. Trading, like any other communication, requires a common language to be understood, this is obvious
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Old May 25th, 2016, 07:45 PM   #336

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I think the use of the word here is correct and there is no misunderstanding on my part with regards to his comments. Of course this is subjective in nature and only the OP can clarify his thought but given the context my understating appears closer to reality than yours.
Context doesn't come in to it.
You chose to take an example of British cultural imports to India as a claim of justification of imperial rule. No such claim was being made.

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You original post does not completely suggest what you have said here.
It does and I have neither the ability or inclination to help you see that.
I also see from your subsequent posts that you are choosing to focus on only one aspect of a posters comments and filtering that through a very narrow, nationalist bias before replying. This being the case I will leave you to it.
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Old May 25th, 2016, 09:19 PM   #337

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I was stating as a fact that England gave us industrial economies, if you actually meant ‘English’ and not ‘England’ then your original question makes even less sense. But, if you really need that answered I would simply point to all yours posts being in English and these posts being understood by all the nationalities in this forum, if this still doesn’t make sense then there is nothing else I can do for your education on this.

I’m not placing recreation above sovereignty, if you re-read my post and had quoted the entire paragraph not a few select words, I clearly state I’m only listing the easy to understand aspect’s.

Lastly, money isn’t a language, a language is a language…I can’t put it anymore simply than that. India, as one example, has brought in considerable wealth simply due to English being commonly spoken and understood. Trading, like any other communication, requires a common language to be understood, this is obvious
If you are talking of call centres it is 0.007 percent of Indian economy. India is primarily a domestic consumption driven economy (very similar to USA). India is growing because of its internal consumption and evolving infrastructure and dynamism of trade within its border's. Biggest contributor in Indian economy is retail sector (Mostly kirana stores across India). Like I said since England started the industrial revolution , it does not justify any kind of oppression in British empire, if I extrapolate your logic the China and its government should be given a clean chit because they invented the gunpowder, paper, printing press which form the basis of modern world. The Soviet Union should'nt be criticized because they formed the building blocks of space age and jet propulsion. India can go about killing countless million people because they formed the decimal system which is the basis of pretty much anything in the modern world ranging from banking to computers. Technological revolutions do not justify crimes
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