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Old December 27th, 2016, 03:27 PM   #1

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Portugal was the last country in Europe to lose its empire


Portugal was the last country in Europe to lose its empire, with the delivery of Macao to China on December 20, 1999 only that the history of Portugal would remain alive for ever, a small nation that made great nation.
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I visited Macao in the early 90s. Very interesting place, especially the ruins of St Pauls church and old colonial cemetery. A very large number of graves were those of women and children who had succumbed to various illness and fevers. Such is the price of empire.

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Portugal was like England and Holland when they rose to power. They were not big nations but made it awesome.
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the UK still has some colonial concessions

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A little known fact about Portugal colonial legacy is it's major role in the transatlantic slave trade. A total 38% of all African slaves made the journey across the Atlantic with Portuguese slavers. That is more then the Spanish and British empires combined(although in fairness the Portuguese were the main procurers of slaves for the Spanish colonies.) Quite remarkable for such a small country.

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the UK still has some colonial concessions
Some authors consider the Portuguese empire the last European one, not necessarily because Macao was ceded to China in 1999 but because the late independence of his African colonies in 1975 when there were not European Empires anymore. Today both the UK and France (and the USA) still have small territories scattered around the globe. Portugal doesn’t.

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A little known fact about Portugal colonial legacy is it's major role in the transatlantic slave trade. A total 38% of all African slaves made the journey across the Atlantic with Portuguese slavers. That is more then the Spanish and British empires combined(although in fairness the Portuguese were the main procurers of slaves for the Spanish colonies.) Quite remarkable for such a small country.
Why do you say “little known fact”? It is common knowledge, albeit don’t know about the 38%, it is a percentage that can go up and down according to the study you read. But you can add more numbers with the slave trade in the Indian Ocean and in Asia, those quite less known.

Back to the Atlantic note that the Spanish didn’t had direct access to major sources after the Canaries were absorbed. But in the late of the 18th century the territories that are today (aprox.) Equatorial Guinea were ceded from Portugal to Spain in what was de facto a renegotiation of the Tordesilhas Treaty.

I don’t know if the Portuguese made more slave trade in numbers that the Spanish and the British empires combined, but we know that it was a long lasting one, since it begun in the 15th century and ended in the 19th.
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Friend Portugal still still have Azores and Madeira enough they want independence
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I visited Macao in the early 90s. Very interesting place, especially the ruins of St Pauls church and old colonial cemetery. A very large number of graves were those of women and children who had succumbed to various illness and fevers. Such is the price of empire.

Yes my friend was this price, but it was not only in macau, it was where the portuguese passed, like the french french spanish, etc. They left their diseases where they killed many innocent people, it is the story of a friend.
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Friend we still have the Azores and Madeira
Well, literally speaking, it's the Portuguese State and the inhabitants of those islands that still owns Azores and Madeira, not the average Portuguese.

The average Portuguese never trully benefited from the colonies and for the large part of our history the colonies were irrelevant to the majority of Portuguese people, until very late in the 20th century when the "Estado Novo" government made a very propagandistic campaign to install pride on the Empire.
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