Originally Posted by Knapf
I noticed they shared some traits.
1)One was known as the Sick Man of Europe while the other was known as the Sick Man of Asia.
2)Both were overthrown by a revolutionary who wants to bring the "country forward" and favored Western ideas.
3)Both existed somewhat around the same era.
4)Both were a dynasty style government.
5)One had to face a majority number of nationalist Arabs while one had to face a majority number of nationalist Han Chinese.
6)The Western powers grabbed the territories of both empires?
I would like to hear more opinions on this.
The empires were quite different in structue and nature, as was their fall.
1. The ruling ethnic group in the Ottoman empire, were only a small fracrion of the population of the empire. No single ethnic group made up the majority of the Han empire. The main ethnic group of the Qing empire, the Han, made up the overwhelming majority of the Qing empire.
(The Manchu ruling the Qing were technically not Han, but they spoke and wrote in the Han language spoke by the overwhelming majority of their population, and the Manchu identified with Chinese culture, while retaining a memory of their own. The Turks of the Ottoman, spoke and wrote in Turkish, not the language or writing of the majority of their population. Han filled the vast majoirty of the government officds in the Qing.)
2. The Ottoman empire fell as a direct and immediate consequence of being on the losing side of a war. While its loss to Japan was a contributor to the Qing fall, the Qing did not fall immediately afterwarda.
3. The Chinese Republic managed to retain the vast majoirity of the Qing empire, only Tibet and a few others being lost. The Turks only retained Anatolia, losing the majority of the Othtoman empire.
4. The Ottoman were losing territory steadily, already have lost Greek, Bulgaria, and Egypt for all real purposes, and even Bosnia was being ruled by the Haspburgs on behalf of the Ottomans (supposedly). The Qing were not losing much territory, other than the loss of Tawain pefhaps, but most of their land retained intact - Tibet did not leave China's control after the Qing's fall.
But there were some similarities
a. Both had corrupt and inefficient governments that struggled, unsuccessfully, to modernize.
b. Both were taken over by nationalistic reformers who were heavily influenced by the west.