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Old April 21st, 2017, 08:51 PM   #21
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The OP is obviously obsessed with steppe people. It wasn't their problem that they face-rolled pretty much anyone, because their enemies were so weak.
Obviously a triggered descendant of steppe hordes
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 09:26 AM   #22

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Obviously a triggered descendant of steppe hordes
Not really. The only triggered fella in this forum seems to be you.
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 10:40 AM   #23

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Massacres happened last for a variety of reasons.

1) you don't need the extra mouths to feed. Practicality says letting them go will resort in them either rejoining their tribe/army and making them dangerous again or having nothing to do but become bandits that will trouble the locals. Practical choice is put them to the sword. Keeping them as slaves might work if you are close to home, or they are not too many. But circumstances might render that impractical.

2) you hate them/revenge .... these guys invaded your country, burnt you villages, killed your friends and carried away women and children. Teach them a lesson...

3) politics. Make an example. Kill enough now and you hopefully won't need to kill more again in the future. Let other tribes and states no the cost in fighting you.

4) future conflict. Kill all these warriors now. Next time you have to fight these guys then maybe their troops will be greener and easier to beat. They might not be able to fight you for a generation or two.

Same theory can be applied to looting and pillaging.
Practicality... it's difficult to keep armies supplied, it's easier to let them rob, scavenge and steal food from enemy farms and civvies.
Revenge.. punish these people for their failure to respect your strength.
Future conflicts .... burn 1 city and others might cave with out resistance, flee before you get there.

And as stated, looting was the main way warrior cultures got any kind of "pay" or perks, other than being given food, gifts and a roof.
I agree with these reasons. And I would add it was not only barbarians who committed these actions, but also civilized soldiers, though to a lesser degree.
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I agree with these reasons. And I would add it was not only barbarians who committed these actions, but also civilized soldiers, though to a lesser degree.
"Lesser"? Do I have to remind you about the Dutch gentlemen who massacred 50k Chinese some more in 1565?
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Obviously a triggered descendant of steppe hordes
Do not make personal remarks like this. Consider this a warning.
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 03:35 AM   #26
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I agree with these reasons. And I would add it was not only barbarians who committed these actions, but also civilized soldiers, though to a lesser degree.
I am not sure Romans committed these actions in lesser degree than, for example, the Huns.

Even though Tribes are seen by many as more primitive, States often employ much more resources to violence and are more destructive.
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I am not sure Romans committed these actions in lesser degree than, for example, the Huns.


Have you any evidence that Romans killed almost 60 millions of people just for the fun?

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Old April 23rd, 2017, 05:40 AM   #28
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Have you any evidence that Romans killed almost 60 millions of people just for the fun?

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No, I don't have any evidence that Romans or Huns killed 60 millions of people... or that they both did it for fun.


My post was about how Unsure I am that Romans committed less massacres than their less urbanised neighbours aka barbarians.

So if you have evidence of Huns and other Barbarians committing more massacres than Romans please do share.
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No, I don't have any evidence that Romans or Huns killed 60 millions of people... or that they both did it for fun.

My post was about how Unsure I am that Romans committed less massacres than their less urbanised neighbours aka barbarians.

So if you have evidence of Huns and other Barbarians committing more massacres than Romans please do share.
Whatever: I really doubt that Huns and other steppe barbarians behaved that differently from their cousins Mongols and Manchus. Ask any medieval Chinese what he thought about them.
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Whatever: I really doubt that Huns and other steppe barbarians behaved that differently from their cousins Mongols and Manchus. Ask any medieval Chinese what he thought about them.
So you also are not sure and have no evidences to show about the Huns?
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