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Old August 4th, 2017, 03:01 AM   #41
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Hitler is considered as a great conqueror and statesman with a funny "cute" mustache that occasionally killed 6 million Jews. That's the impression that I got every time I touched the subject of WW2 with my Chinese friends.
you got strange friends..... (it leaves the question to you....not your friends.....)

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for the OP, japan is an important ally of the western powers. (and it happens starting from the korean war)

how could you convincing people to ally with a generally known criminal (though "past tense" already)?

the best choice is simply not to mention it too much.

in fact, you find a lot of books movies about japanese war crimes before the cold war, but much less later then

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the same reason why East Asian people know nothing about Hitler

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Old August 4th, 2017, 10:33 AM   #43
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Sculptingman-nonsense.Go read my post again .That's the facts. Japanese war crimes were just a well known in Britain and Europe and Australia and the Netherlands as any German war crimes were -any other scenario is bulls**t
Go watch the 1946 John Wayne war movie 'BACK TO BATAAN ' which featured scenes from the Bataan Death March with one of te movie's stars -Anthony Quinn escaping from the Death March columns to safety.
All and any views. opinions /theories that the Japanese war crimes were not from 1945 on as well known as German war crimes are unmitigated garbage.
Um- you're not comprehending the question, nor the answer.

Japanese atrocities WERE well known at the time they were occurring. The Allies used them in anti japanese propaganda.

In fact- German atrocities were the ones that were better concealed. during the war.


But the POINT is that, by the 60s you never heard about or read about the atrocities committed by japan.... but the Holocaust was always front page news... because of the emerging statehood of Israel, and the fact that victims of that holocaust were AVAILABLE to european media- while the victims of nanking and nazi atrocities in Russia were NOT available to media.


As a result, the holocaust is something most everyone has heard of and knows something about... whereas modern westerners have a pretty big blind spot regarding japanese actions...

That is the fact.
And its the result of China closing itself off under mao- and the russians closing themselves off under stalin.

It was not until the opening of both to western media and commerce that these stories started to get the attention that the holocaust had gotten all along.
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you got strange friends..... (it leaves the question to you....not your friends.....)

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for the OP, japan is an important ally of the western powers. (and it happens starting from the korean war)

how could you convincing people to ally with a generally known criminal (though "past tense" already)?

the best choice is simply not to mention it too much.
germany is part of west and it gets flak for it deservenigly but mostly as it harmed allies directly and killed jews which is part of european history many europeans feel guilty as even some people from western powers collaborated with Germans in that goal.

Truth is that europeaqns at large dont care about lives of chinise sadly as they are too distant.Western europeans dont care much about great serbian,greece,belorussian and russian victims in ww2 also they know little of their civilians casulties aside generality like east front was brutal...Distant people are unimportant.

Also fact that these countries were communists put additional weight in decades after ww2 to talk about their suffering as they were now enemies.
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you got strange friends..... (it leaves the question to you....not your friends.....)
Don't know if you are personally trying to insult me or not. Better explain yourself on that matter.

And last, their opinion is extraordinarily strange, which was my main point to begin with...if you wanted to use it as a way to question something about me, it seems that you failed to do so...

By the way, those are the only Chinese people that I asked about Hitler, I know it's a small sample and totally anecdotal evidence, but still it's my experience, my impression and my own opinion - never said it was fact neither I pretended it was - and I'm open to acknowledge that I'm totally wrong and their opinion does not reflect the opinions of most Chinese. And I explain myself very clearly in my previous post.

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Japanese are more charming than Germans


This is an other reason why we don't mind about Japanese war crimes.

What's charming in present Germany?

Think to how much Japan is charming ...

It's like about an alluring girl: you will never underline a defect of her.
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Think to how much Japan is charming ...

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for certain amount of people it is for most i doubt it.
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This is an other reason why we don't mind about Japanese war crimes.

What's charming in present Germany?

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Fascinating history, castles, forests, mountains, beer, their general friendliness, really most of it except the white sausages.

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Think to how much Japan is charming ...

It's like about an alluring girl: you will never underline a defect of her.

All I know from modern Japan is anime and manga, they have hologram pop artists, and they talk funny. Also I recently heard school children are not made properly aware of the crimes of their forefathers. None of the above are good things in my book.
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RE between the wars American baseball legend Babe Ruth and his team mates played baseball in 1930's Japan on tour and were lionised. Yet during the battle of Guadalcanal in 1942 Japanese soldiers tried to draw American dogfaces fire at night TO GIVE AWAY THEIR POSITIONS by shouting F***K BABE RUTH, JOE!
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Don't know if you are personally trying to insult me or not. Better explain yourself on that matter.
i mean language, profession, social state...these kind of things might play a role in your formation of friendship. you might have limited yourself on views of chinese views. this kind of thing happens for people in a foreign country.

no offense, sorry for possible misleading.

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