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Old November 7th, 2017, 09:03 AM   #21

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Sparky, there is an old and apparently better than Matilda thingy movie 'The Assassin of the Tsar', russian film with Malcolm McDowell. Wonderful movie about the last days of Romanov (Nicholas II grandpa Alexander II incl.) McDowell is Yurovsky here.

Tsareubiytsa (1991) - IMDb

The execution of the royal family

Regarding Poklonskaya i admit i have a slight obsession with this modern incarnation of the Goddess Aphrodite. I wish she is my President

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Goddess? You are kidding. She's nothing special.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 09:04 AM   #22
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If you think wiping out an entire royal family is a necessity, you should be thrown into an asylum.

This is the most sickening, disgusting, and disrespectful comment in this thread.
They were killed in order to prevent them from being rescued by the enemies of the Reds - the White guards. Firstly they were moved to Tobolsk by provisional government. Later Reds moved them to Yekaterinburg. Btw this city was renamed Sverdlovsk during commie times, after Yakov Sverdlov, the same guy who ordered Romanov family to be killed. In 1918 the civil war was going bad for Reds, Whites were advancing and this city was in danger of falling into enemy hands. So commie leaders were worried that Nicolas II would be liberated and freaky restored to the throne by the Red's enemy, SO that's why Sverdlov issued this infamous order. All rights?

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Old November 7th, 2017, 09:09 AM   #23

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Nothing great in a start of massacre of 100 millions called communism/socialism.

It was one of worst human blunders if not the worst. I'm sad that Denikin did not enter Moscow in 1919 and that Lenin was not put a bullet in his head asap but I do understand Germans why they have sent miserable sob and his gang of criminals to Russia in an armored train.

On such a day and anniversary we should be very sad. As with WWI and WWII anniversaries.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 10:02 AM   #24

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This anniversary helped to prompt my latest reading choice. I've spent this month steadily devouring the first two volumes of Stephen Kotkin's magisterial biography of Joseph Stalin: Paradoxes of Power (1878-1928) and Waiting for Hitler (1929-1941).
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Tsar Nicholas II was an absolute fool,
if that is what you got from what you read then your read is a pile of bullshit... how could the tsar be a fool when he ruled the country long enough and had successfully crushed the first attempt at a civil war and then formed the powers that won the first world war?

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Tthe Russian system of rule was in bad need of reform,
who told you that? whose lies are you citing here? Russia has never been 'in bad need of reform' unless as described in the textbooks of those who raided, plundered and raped her!

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Nicholas II, with his peculiar mixture of weakness and stubbornness, was not the man to achieve it.
how can you say this about someone you didn't know in person? Nicholai II was one of the greatest Russian tsars. Russia thrived under his rule (at least as compared with then Europe) and that's why he is being hated and maligned so much by Western spin doctors; because he dared to lead the country to prosperity (same about Stalin, btw).
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who told you that? whose lies are you citing here? Russia has never been 'in bad need of reform' .
Never? Even when Russia was centuries behind its European neaighboirs in terms of its development?
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who told you that? whose lies are you citing here? Russia has never been 'in bad need of reform' unless as described in the textbooks of those who raided, plundered and raped her!



how can you say this about someone you didn't know in person? Nicholai II was one of the greatest Russian tsars. Russia thrived under his rule (at least as compared with then Europe) and that's why he is being hated and maligned so much by Western spin doctors; because he dared to lead the country to prosperity (same about Stalin, btw).
If Russia was not in need of reform why did they have the 1905 rebellion and then the 1917 revolution?
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who told you that? whose lies are you citing here? Russia has never been 'in bad need of reform' unless as described in the textbooks of those who raided, plundered and raped her!



how can you say this about someone you didn't know in person? Nicholai II was one of the greatest Russian tsars. Russia thrived under his rule (at least as compared with then Europe) and that's why he is being hated and maligned so much by Western spin doctors; because he dared to lead the country to prosperity (same about Stalin, btw).

So, the autocracy of the Tsars was a satisfactory form of rule that required no reform? And by the way, it wasn't foreign raiders, plunderers and rapists who revolted against that system, but Russians themselves. No, I didn't know Nicholas II in person, he was killed long before I was born, but I have read enough about him to be able to conclude, with some measure of justification, that he had serious limitations as a ruler. He is not generally viewed with hatred by Western authors, but with some measure of sympathy, at a personal level.

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Never? Even when Russia was centuries behind its European neaighboirs in terms of its development?
'centuries behind' - what nonsense. Russia has never been in a position where it could afford to be 'centuries behind'. Russia has always been up to date, except during civil unrest, whatever lying scholars might say.
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На вкус и цвет товарищей нет, you know..

(translation kinda) Beauty is in eye of the beholder..
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