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Old November 7th, 2017, 12:51 PM   #51

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O, no! She may be an Orthodox idiot but she's cute! I wish to be an icon she kisses good night!
She is cute but there is difference between being cute and being a 'Goddess'. She represents political Orthodoxy, but I think political component contains in her views 99%, while Orthodox component - 1%.
P.S. Some of the prettiest women I have seen belonged to the ROC.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 01:10 PM   #52
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it didn't because the tsar had formed the Triple Entente with France and Britain that won the war. Russia in fact won WWI, it was Soviet Russia which lost it.
Germans mauled Russian army in WWI and Russian industrial output was not enough to sustain a war. Your historic perspective is of a stalinist.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 01:15 PM   #53

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P.S. Some of the prettiest women I have seen belonged to the ROC.
Really? For me she's the first pretty ROC woman I saw. They are usually badly dressed non make-upped women with small prayer books.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 01:49 PM   #54

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what Russian people? Russians would never want something of the sort occur in their country... not like they cared about the tsar or his courtiers (what boyars?) but neither they cared about the raiders' ambitions to incite unrest in Russia.



which views? Russians' as of before or after the USSR was created?
To be clear, you're arguing Czarist Russia was not in need of reforms correct?
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Old November 7th, 2017, 02:54 PM   #55

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The revolution in real time:
https://project1917.com/october

I'd offer you to leave here your opinion about this revolution: what it was for the World history and what it could be without the Civil war in Russia after it and without the Entente's pressure? What do you think about reasons of the revolution and could the western society to help to prevent it?
The Great October Socialist Revolution is the event of world importance, that influenced the modernisation of the Western world and accelerated the decolonisation of Africa and Asia.

It wasn't the first socialist revolt, but the first succesful one. Cuban revolution is another example of this type of anti-bourgeois revolution.
And the success was achieved in accordance with "Communist Manifesto" (1948), a 23-pages pamphlet by revolutionary philosophers Marx and Engels: a bourgeoisie will never give power to people peacefully, the transitional period needs a dictatorship of proletariat, to be succesful a revolution needs a party, and a party needs a right scientific theory. i.e marxism.

The Great October Socialist Revolution stands in the row of another 2 great revolutions, that shaped the modernity:
the English bourgeois revolution of 1640-1649
the Great French Revolution of 1789-1794.

Without Civil war and the Intervention by the UK, the US, France and Japan, the Soviet Russia will retain most of its initial (pre-1917) "bolshevik" core, that will die for the World Revolution. It means, that socialism will spread to other countries - through the activity of Komintern or by direct military intervention. In 20-30 pro-fascist suppression was going in Romania, Hungary, Poland, Finland, Italy. I imagine, that there will be some intervention of the Soviet Russia there. But it's hard to imagine.

Reasons for this revolution is the same combination of 2 factores as for the English or French revolutions:
- the ruling classes cant' rule in a new way
- the suppressed classes cant' live in an old way.

If the ruling class of bourgeoisie in France or England was thinking about prevention of revolution in Russia in 1917, they shouldn't start the World War in a first place. Or a crisis of any sort.

By the way, there was already Russian Revolution of 1905-1906.
Lenin, Trotsky were in emigration.
And their communist party was in underground in Russian Empire, distributing a revolutionary paper among the workers.
So to prevent hegemony of communist party, if the popular uprising happens, you need to destroy all these leaders and members of this party.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 05:53 AM   #56

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Read a Op-Ed on this in yesterday's Wall Street Journal. The author, who has written a book about the Russia Revolution, called the Revolution and its aftermath: Stalin, Eastern Europe, Mao, North Korea, etc., the greatest calamity in human history.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 05:56 AM   #57

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[QUOTE=LouisAntoineDeSaintJust;2854235]. . . .

If the ruling class of bourgeoisie in France or England was thinking about prevention of revolution in Russia in 1917, they shouldn't start the World War in a first place. Or a crisis of any sort.

[QUOTE]

Problem with this is that France or England (or both together) did not start WWI: Serbia, Austria-Hungary, Russia and Germany started it over an event that happened in the Balkans. Had any one of those four stood down, there would have been no WWI.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 05:56 AM   #58

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Regarding Poklonskaya i admit i have a slight obsession with this modern incarnation of the Goddess Aphrodite. I wish she is my President

God I wish the red babushkas would realize their dreams
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Communism never brought any good to the world.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 06:37 AM   #60

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it didn't because the tsar had formed the Triple Entente with France and Britain that won the war. Russia in fact won WWI, it was Soviet Russia which lost it.
I think leaving before the end of the match counts as defeat personally.
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