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Old November 19th, 2017, 07:30 PM   #31

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Its hard to disagree with it. Maybe MLK since he was the pinnacle of Civil Rights...
I would consider Malcolm X and MLK were 2 sides of the same coin. Both deaths, a tragedy.
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I agree. It is cable news mythology for public consumption. I might choose instead, Elon Musk, but the verdict will not be in for another 83 years.
Elon musk?!?! Was has that piece of tosh ever done,
hardly invented anything revolutionary yet people are riding his shaft,
The only skill he seems to have is getting money of people and governments.
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21st - Osama Bin Laden
That idiot? He's not worthy of appearing on the list (although I appreciate the significance of 9/11).

I'd say it's very difficult to narrow it down to one person per century. But the candidates for the 20th and 21st century are as follows:

20th century:

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, founder of the Turkish Republic
Abdel Nasser, president of Egypt
Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Saddam Hussein, Iraqi dicator
Hassan al Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood
Muhammad Ali Jinnah, founder of Pakistan
Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, Shah of Iran

21st century:

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, president of Turkey
Hassan Rouhani, president of Iran
Fethullah Gulen - Islamic cleric, currently in exile in US

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Interesting OP. One could note those who made great scientific discoveries, or great economic theories which brought prosperity. For me, I will look at things from a political perspective. So, Hitler for the 20th century, as WW2, impacted the whole world in a formidable way. Napoleon for the 19th century, for much the same reason. The Founding fathers of the USA for the 18th century. I will go with John Locke for the 17th century, and break with my tradition by citing Leonardo Da Vinci for the 16th century. To end, Christopher Columbus is my choice for the 15th century.
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Interesting OP. One could note those who made great scientific discoveries, or great economic theories which brought prosperity. For me, I will look at things from a political perspective. So, Hitler for the 20th century, as WW2, impacted the whole world in a formidable way. Napoleon for the 19th century, for much the same reason. The Founding fathers of the USA for the 18th century. I will go with John Locke for the 17th century, and break with my tradition by citing Leonardo Da Vinci for the 16th century. To end, Christopher Columbus is my choice for the 15th century.
IMO WW2 is over-rated.

In the Muslim world the First World War was far more important.

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I think it's too early to make a decision about the 21st century, though I agree with Gavrilo Princip for the 20th century and Napoleon for the 19th.
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That idiot? He's not worthy of appearing on the list (although I appreciate the significance of 9/11).
None of the people you mentioned impacted the world in the same way bin Laden did. Not even slightly.
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None of the people you mentioned impacted the world in the same way bin Laden did. Not even slightly.
Not to mention that none of the people you have nominated for the 20th century would've been notable without the actions of Princip and WWI.
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None of the people you mentioned impacted the world in the same way bin Laden did. Not even slightly.
What a strange post.

If you think that, either you know nothing about the people listed or you give astonishing weight to Osama far beyond his importance.

To say that Nasser is less important than bin Laden? Sorry, but that is historical ignorance of a high degree. His victory at Suez changed the course of 20th century history, overturning colonialism and heralding a major victory of pan Arabism and independence movements everywhere.

Kemal Ataturk's astonishing achievement in defeating the British and French empires at the height of their power during the Gallipoli campaign is justly celebrated and his transformation of Turkey into a modern secular republic took his country forward by centuries in just a few short years, totally changing the face of the modern nation.

His victory in the Turkish war of independence against the greatest most powerful empires in the world, achieved against multiple enemies on multiple fronts, was nothing short of a Herculean feat.

I also recommend to read up on Hassan al Banna. The issue of political Islamism and the Muslim brotherhood has been central to the Middle East since 1979. Banna is arguably far more important in terms of the world of ideas than bin Laden ever will be. A man largely known for one destructive, atrocious act.
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What a strange post.

If you think that, either you know nothing about the people listed or you give astonishing weight to Osama far beyond his importance.

To say that Nasser is less important than bin Laden? Sorry, but that is historical ignorance of a high degree. His victory at Suez changed the course of 20th century history, overturning colonialism and heralding a major victory of pan Arabism and independence movements everywhere.

Kemal Ataturk's astonishing achievement in defeating the British and French empires at the height of their power during the Gallipoli campaign is justly celebrated and his transformation of Turkey into a modern secular republic took his country forward by centuries in just a few short years, totally changing the face of the modern nation.

His victory in the Turkish war of independence against the greatest most powerful empires in the world, achieved against multiple enemies on multiple fronts, was nothing short of a Herculean feat.

I also recommend to read up on Hassan al Banna. The issue of political Islamism and the Muslim brotherhood has been central to the Middle East since 1979. Banna is arguably far more important in terms of the world of ideas than bin Laden ever will be. A man largely known for one destructive, atrocious act.
Those people are all from the 20th Century. Hence invalid.
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