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Old December 22nd, 2017, 02:09 PM   #311

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Given that most of the important modern inventions had their origin in Western Europe (British Isles, France, Germany, Italy), neither of which are cold, rather mild for their latitude, I would think their proximity to the Americas, which was the source of wealth for the colonial powers, played an important role.
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Other European countries have also had their inventions, was it not just the countries you mention?
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 02:13 PM   #312
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Other European countries have also had their inventions, was it not just the countries you mention?
As i've stated before, there were some important Europeans who were not from the Western parts, but looking at the long list of inventions, important scientists and mathematicians, an overwhelming number of them came from, or were educated in those places.
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Frankly: though elaborate unconvincing to say it politely.
Since cars ( automobiles) only came very late in german history it is hardly very relevant for german history at large.
The same can be said about foreign travel large scale.
Though not from Germany I don't think that big proportion of germans went
that much abroad if we look far back into the past.
Then also there are places on earth in many ways much more "harsh" than western Europe. Even if the northern part of the Atlantic coast is included.
Nope. You did not get it and (*pssst: the car - thas was an abstract example and the warm weather in Middle-Europe comes from the Atlantic, that is why closer to the Atlantic is always better and never harsher).

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I'm sorry, what!!!??? If "People more up north have an advantage concerning development", then why did all the first civilizations all develop in more southern/subtropical zones (even Greece and Rome were southern with dry subtropical climates). Why were all those northerners living as nomadic barbarians with no concept of civilization? When you mentioned cars, first of all, cars are a recent invention, as with any other modern day invention like the TV, computer, microwave, etc, etc. And most of these modern day inventions were created by smart individuals in Western Europe and North America. The climate of Western Europe isn't even harsh, it's mostly mild and cloudy with drizzles, something similar to the Pacific Northwest of North America (maybe Germany have some variety). North America, in particular the U.S., has harsher climate then Western Europe, even though it isn't exactly on the same latitude as continental U.S. still, most of it's great inventions were a product of mass immigration from Western Europe (especially from Ashkenazi Jews). Climate has nothing to do with inventions/innovations anymore than geography. One last thing, when you mentioned North, it depends on what you mean by "North". What I consider "North" is: Canada, Scandinavia, Northern Russia, yet none of these areas created anything relevant. And don't even talk about, "oh, Scandinavia and Canada have the best economy and quality of living". That's all recent and looking back in their past, they weren't all economically developed with outstanding quality of life. And there are still underdeveloped areas in Northern Canada and Russia.
You did not get it either.
'Advantage' does not mean what you think it does.
Greece is north of the planet as well.

'Harsh' means = you have to do more to survive. That is one thing.
But for development you need another: You just do not need four seasons, what you require is a lot of people living in that, because otherwise they can snoop around interacting with each other on stone-age levels.
Like you said.^^

Think less in absolutes. People in Australia did not revert back as well, but kept the development level. Vulnerability does not mean, that you have no chance in the Senegal to jump up the development level. You only have more obstacles, because life is awesome at this place.

The problem why you wonder about it, because you made up rules that do not apply with nature sciences.
If you do not have a resource or no necessity for something, nobody gets onto the idea.

Why Eskimos can not come up with the printing press is because they do not have tress in their environment and then not enough people that would profit from it.

By your logic that is possible, because you only need one smart guy and then suddenly the progress happens.
Without necessity developments end in the ocean.

Again that is nature science. I was even surprised that they did not close that thread, because this has nothing to do with history (as a field).

So read the prior post again and try to understand it or leave it and keep wondering have a good holiday everybody and all best for the upcoming year.

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Nope. You did not get it and (*pssst: the car - thas was an abstract example and the warm weather in Middle-Europe comes from the Atlantic, that is why closer to the Atlantic is always better and never harsher).



Advantage' does not mean what you think it does.
Greece is north of the planet as well
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Well. If making examples then why not come up with one that fits?
In a previous post You made a point explaining germans makin more inventions than malaysians because pressed by a harsher environment.
Or if that was not Your opinion then what is it then?
And while Greece is on the northern part of the planet, like most lands (the southern hemisphere has far more ocean water) it is also a land closer to the equator than to any of the poles and that is what matters for climate.
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