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Old November 20th, 2017, 02:52 PM   #51

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Still Venice isn't Castile. Great difference betweeen the two. Ottomans also weren't fighting the Venetians for Venice proper but rather Venetian controlled islands like Cyprus and Crete that were well within the Ottomans sphere of power. Ottomans were no threat to Castile/Spain. Venice would be best described as an Eastern European state given that it's the eastern part of Italy and the remainder of it's territory was in the east right in Ottoman sights.
They definitely were through the Muslims of Iberia with which Portugal, Castille and Aragon were fighting. Combine that with the Muslim states of North Africa, and it becomes understandable why Europeans wanted different trade routes. Muslims on the other hand had the rich trading they got from Europe, Asia and Africa so they weren't in any need.
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Old November 20th, 2017, 03:07 PM   #52

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this topic leaves me with this idea.
este tópico deixa-me com esta ideia.


Germany England France great intelligence.
Portugal and Spain great donkeys.

Alemanha Inglaterra França grande inteligência.
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live the intelligence
viva á inteligência

Was the gunpowder invented by the Germans.
Or was invented in China

Será que a pólvora foi inventada pelos alemães.
Ou foi inventada na China?

Is the Astrolabe invented in France?
Maybe it was invented in Egypt

Será que o Astrolabio foi inventado na França
Talvez fosse inventado no Egipto.

Intelligence has always existed on every continent of the world, and every continent had its intelligence.


A inteligência sempre existiu em todos os continentes do mundo, e cada continente tinha a sua inteligência.
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My final thought on this subject. History is like relay race. We are where we are today through a long chain of events starting from the earliest river valley civilizations over 7,000 years ago. That is where the race began. Along the way differant peoples have taken over the baton. Over the recent times the baton was picked up by Western Europe and if one was pushed to place it - it would have to be the British Isles.

On of the mistakes humans make - probably on account of having short life spans is they only get to live a sliver of time. If they or their people are ruling the roots they somehow start imagining that there is something intrinsic to their biology and that is the cause of thier supremacy.

They overlook that there was a time when the Egyptians gazed over the Pyramids and thought they were 'it'. Look at them today. The only constant is change.

Ps. My ancestral village is barely 15 miles from River Indus and epicentre of the Indus/Harappa civilization and now living in area of UK that was not long ago the epicentre of the industrial age I do gloat and bloat sometimes. Do forgive
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The result of a superb civilization that respects discovery and exploration and fosters intellectual freedom and rationalism.
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Arhggg. Nooooo. Argghhhh. Nooooo. Arghhh.
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While your pondering that enigma do please also ponder on another enigma. At the dawn of human history just four rivers on the vast face of earth became the cradles of human civilization? What were the peoples of the rest of the vast globe doing?


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So actually those peoples even had a head-start of millennia on Europeans?
That makes the enigma even more interesting.
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They didn't have those resources, for one. They only had comparable ones. Two, why is it that no Newton and Galileo emerged before the colonisation of America? They only were able to emerge becuase Europeans were able to become rich enough through colonialism to fund these intellectuals.
But there were plenty of men of knowledge before the discovery of the Americas and the Renaissance occurred independently from it (as well as Galileo, since Italian states did not colonise America).
Besides, according to all kind of graphs and exemples, India and China were richer than Europe for most of history, how come it ended this way?
Plus, Europe has been the predominant powerhouse for less than 200 years, how was it possible that such an overwhelming amount of inventions and discoveries was made in such a little time while there had been vaster and richer empires before?
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So actually those peoples even had a head-start of millennia on Europeans?
That makes the enigma even more interesting.
You do know I can flip that contention over and make the enigma even more enthralling. Like if Europeans are so 'fast' what were they doing at the start of the race?

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So actually those peoples even had a head-start of millennia on Europeans?
That makes the enigma even more interesting.

But there were plenty of men of knowledge before the discovery of the Americas and the Renaissance occurred independently from it (as well as Galileo, since Italian states did not colonise America).
Besides, according to all kind of graphs and exemples, India and China were richer than Europe for most of history, how come it ended this way?
Plus, Europe has been the predominant powerhouse for less than 200 years, how was it possible that such an overwhelming amount of inventions and discoveries was made in such a little time while there had been vaster and richer empires before?
Japan got rich off of the Sino-Japanese War.

One of the easiest way to get rich is actually rob a kingdom. And who were experts at these?

Let's not pretend technological advancements have nothing to do with the fluctuation of pillaged wealth into Europe.
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They definitely were through the Muslims of Iberia with which Portugal, Castille and Aragon were fighting. Combine that with the Muslim states of North Africa, and it becomes understandable why Europeans wanted different trade routes. Muslims on the other hand had the rich trading they got from Europe, Asia and Africa so they weren't in any need.
1492 the year Columbus sailed was the same year the last Muslims in Spain were defeated. They had ceased to be a real threat for a century or two before that and Muslim Spain had basically been limited to Granada. It is safe to say at this point they weren't a threat. I think Portugal even tried invading Morroco within less than a century , it didn't work but that's Portugal, not Spain and Portugal had nothing close to the resources and power that the Castillians/Spanish would have at that time. Spain simply was focused on other things.
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I don't know why you're assuming this. A lot of these inventions came from the US which has a sizeable population of southern, eastern and northern europeans, not to mention jews (mostly central and eastern european btw).
Well it's true that most modern technology originated from the innovation and creative minds of European individuals all of whom had British, French, and German ancestry. Not to mention the long list of modern influential scientists of the last few centuries all had Western European ancestry.
Americans followed suit only after receiving immigration from Western Europeans, primarily from the British Isles and Germany. Later on, America started to surpass Western Europe after WW2, when they received immigrants and refugees from Western and Central Europe, especially Ashkenazi Jews. America's technological achievements are due to immigration and ideas from Western Europe.
Speaking of the ancestry of white Americans, most white Americans are of English, Irish, Scottish and German ancestry. German ancestry is prevalent in the Midwest and West Coast, Irish in the East Coast, and British Isles ancestry down south. Southern and Eastern Europeans are a minority, Southern Europeans (primarily Italian Americans and mainly found in areas of the East Coast) and Eastern Europeans (especially Polish) in areas of the Midwest.

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