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Old December 19th, 2017, 10:48 AM   #11

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Edward IV married Elizabeth Woodville in secret, whilst his own advisors were arranging a marriage for him to a French Princess. It was a monumental act of stupidity, and helped rekindle the Wars of the Roses.

Louis XVI's marriage to Marie Antoninette also springs to mind, considering how she was widely viewed as either a foreign spy or deliberately inconsiderate to the plight of the French peasantry. Most of this was based on misconceptions and outright deception on the part of the Revolutionaries, but had she been a Frenchwoman instead, I wonder if they could have stirred up quite as much resentment for the monarchy.
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Gay marriages when the man is not a man, women run out of men.
It's going to be a gay world.
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Oh, no, those were *proper* and dictated by age-old custom! The god-kings of Egypt had been marrying siblings for thousands of years, by that point. It might have been a little weird for the Ptolemaic imports, granted, but hey, you don't mess with tradition! Marrying OUTside the family, THAT would have been scandalous.

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We laugh at the Mrs Simpson scandal now, and what was seen as normal 2,000 years ago is looked upon with disgust.
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Louis XVI's marriage to Marie Antoninette also springs to mind, considering how she was widely viewed as either a foreign spy or deliberately inconsiderate to the plight of the French peasantry. Most of this was based on misconceptions and outright deception on the part of the Revolutionaries, but had she been a Frenchwoman instead, I wonder if they could have stirred up quite as much resentment for the monarchy.
The last previous French King or heir to the throne that married a French woman was Francis I in 1514.
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Henry VIII to Anne Boleyn. Condemned by much of the Catholic world, and caused England to become Anglican.
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Henry VIII to Anne Boleyn. Condemned by much of the Catholic world, and caused England to become Anglican.
I can't believe I left that one off my initial list
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Henry VIII to Anne Boleyn. Condemned by much of the Catholic world, and caused England to become Anglican.
...or invent it!
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It's all a matter of perspective. How time changes ideals!!!
It is a question of perspective. A historic perspective, i.e., we shouldn’t apply present perspectives and present trend criticisms to societies of the past, if we really want to understand it and not just find it funny or odd. So… in this perspective that case isn’t controversial. It is just plain and natural for that strata and that society.
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Muhhammad marrying Aisha springs to mind.
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James Carville and Mary Matalin
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