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Old December 25th, 2017, 05:50 AM   #21

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Gay marriages when the man is not a man, women run out of men.
It's going to be a gay world.
It would give heterosexual men the pick of the lot and no consequences for pinching butt.
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Old December 25th, 2017, 06:04 AM   #22

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It would give heterosexual men the pick of the lot and no consequences for pinching butt.

Each one speaks for himself, and eats the dish he likes.
In my case I have always liked and I like women.
Sou macho and I have nothing more to say, except my respect, each one is what it is.
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Muhhammad marrying Aisha springs to mind.
But there is considerable historical uncertainty about the age of Aisha when married. And I don't know if that marriage was considered controversial in Arabian society at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

If you want examples of really controversial at the time February-December marriages, there is Andronicus I Komnenos with Agnes/Anna of France in 1183 and King Stefan Milutin of Serbia with Simonis Palaiologinia in 1299.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_...antine_Empress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonida

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But there is considerable historical uncertainty about the age of Aisha when married. And I don't know if that marriage was considered controversial in Arabian society at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage
The OP makes it unclear which standards to use for controversy - modern or of that particular time. The only age I ever heard of was 9, which should be young even for Arab standards of that period. Afaik it wasn't customary (anywhere) to marry girls that aren't in puberty yet (very few girls already have menstrual cycles at age 9), they aren't even fertile yet.
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The OP makes it unclear which standards to use for controversy - modern or of that particular time. The only age I ever heard of was 9, which should be young even for Arab standards of that period. Afaik it wasn't customary (anywhere) to marry girls that aren't in puberty yet (very few girls already have menstrual cycles at age 9), they aren't even fertile yet.
It is true that however controversial it was at the time, the marriage of Mohammed with Aisha is definitely controversial today. I suspect that some people believe that the age of Aisha at her marriage is proof that Islam is either A) the true religion, or B) a false heresy created by a scam artist.

An example of child marriage is the one on 15 January 1478 between Richard, Duke of York and Norfolk, Earl Warenne (17 August 1473-1483?), and Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk (10 December 1472 to November 1481). The bride was 5 years, 1 month, and 5 days old and the groom 4 years, 4 months, and 29 days old. I suspect that at the time some nobles considered that marriage controversial because they were in line to inherit her lands if she died childless and thus wanted her to marry as old as possible, but it is not controversial today because it was a January-January marriage of kids of equal age.

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Henry VIII to Anne Boleyn. Condemned by much of the Catholic world, and caused England to become Anglican.
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Edward VIII and Mrs. Simpson was the one that immediately came to my mind.
Those are the ones that imediately come to my mind also.
(at least for the ocidental world) Funny to notice that they come both from Great Britain.

Interesting also the discussion around Edward...
Did his mariage came from rebellion towards the royal family, or did the rebellion comes from the mariage?
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Süleyman, the Magnificent and Roxelana

In 1533 or 1534 (the exact date is unknown), Süleyman married Roxelana in a magnificent formal ceremony, making him the first Ottoman Sultan to wed since Orhan Ghazi (reign 1326–1362), and violating a 200-year-old custom of the Ottoman imperial house according to which sultans were not to marry their concubines. Never before was a former slave elevated to the status of the sultan's lawful spouse, much to the astonishment of observers in the palace and in the city. Roxelana also received the title Haseki Sultan and became the first consort to hold this title.
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Muhammad and Aisha?
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Süleyman, the Magnificent and Roxelana

In 1533 or 1534 (the exact date is unknown), Süleyman married Roxelana in a magnificent formal ceremony, making him the first Ottoman Sultan to wed since Orhan Ghazi (reign 1326–1362), and violating a 200-year-old custom of the Ottoman imperial house according to which sultans were not to marry their concubines. Never before was a former slave elevated to the status of the sultan's lawful spouse, much to the astonishment of observers in the palace and in the city. Roxelana also received the title Haseki Sultan and became the first consort to hold this title.
Nice one!!!

Didn't know about it, but why didn't they wed. Surely having a fully legitimate son would save a lot of strife in terms of succession??
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Interesting also the discussion around Edward...
Did his mariage came from rebellion towards the royal family, or did the rebellion comes from the mariage?
Great question I have no idea. Starting thread now.
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