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Old December 31st, 2017, 10:32 AM   #51

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Reevaluating historical figures does not mean those figures are hated or being trashed. It's a normal part of the ebb and flow of historical studies as reputations decline and revive. Criticizing that process as a method of criticizing modern trends (usually against racism, sexism, etc) says more about that kind of knee jerk reactionary than it does about those who criticize the historical figures.
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Old December 31st, 2017, 12:48 PM   #52

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while a sober reassessment of president Nixon would raise him to having been one of the best
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Old December 31st, 2017, 06:16 PM   #53

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Whether one wants to believe or not, Gandhi, Indian struggle for independence, Nehru and so on were well known across the globe at the time. May be Nehru less so. One must note what world figures like Albert Einstein said of him: "Generations to come, it may well be, will scarce believe that such a man as this one ever in flesh and blood walked upon this Earth.

India wouldn't do any better even today against the Chinese army. India should have been more aggressive in Kashmir but hindsight is always 20/20.

One can find personality defects in great men, but that doesn't diminish their stature, because their goodness overpowers such weaknesses. That goes for Gandhi too. There are hardly any Gandhi haters in the world, but they are the ones who laser focus on such things. Usual Gandhi haters are Pakistani Muslim extremists (ex. Jinnah) and Hindu extremists.

You didn't answer this question of mine. Please do: What steps would you have taken to prevent the partition of India, especially when Muslims (some 25% of population concentrated in two regions) were determined to get their own country, no matter what? Let us hear.
Hypothetical questions cannot be answered. The thread and my post is about trashing Gandhi and Nehru and not about my hypothetical abilities. And, for your information, there are many millions hating Gandhi and Nehru in India.---rvsakhadeo
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Hypothetical questions cannot be answered. The thread and my post is about trashing Gandhi and Nehru and not about my hypothetical abilities. And, for your information, there are many millions hating Gandhi and Nehru in India.---rvsakhadeo
So I presume you couldn't come up with a better answer to the partition of India than what Gandhi and Nehru agreed to.

I know there are millions of fascist Hindus in India. Wasn't one of them who murdered him?
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Old December 31st, 2017, 06:49 PM   #55

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Add the growing evidence of Gandhi paedophilia... Well the evidences were there all the time, but people just closed eyes.
There's a widespread ignorance about the heavy political and economic damage that Gandhi caused to India, apart from his egoistic and weird sexual experiments with his young niece. These later facts are narrated by himself !
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Old January 1st, 2018, 06:07 AM   #56

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LOL. He slept in the same bed with some young girls, all of them naked, just to prove to himself that he had the self-restraint to resist any temptation of the flesh. Weird indeed. Very probably those girls were just laughing at him the whole frekkin night.

Dangerous dude. I mean, you know what a girl's giggles & laughs can do to you.

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Old January 2nd, 2018, 01:16 AM   #57

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For Australians Winston Churchill always was a dangerous buffoon
that's not new , that's a long held belief

There was Gallipoli ,then there was the disaster of Greece and Crete
there was his bland abandonment of Australia New Zealand after Singapore while holding to a steadfast refusal to send the Australian troops back from the middle East to defend their homes.
This led to the Australian government in an official speech announcing that henceforth they would turn to the US for their National security

He was a political failure and a backstabber until the job fell on his lap allowing him a grand stage to play his histrionics
For him the colonial Empire was everything

He is on par with his wannabe imitator Boris Johnson
NONSENSE!
You can't blame Churchill for Gallipoli, Greece or Crete, plenty of blame to go around. Britain did not abandon the Anzacs after the fall of Singapore, we poured massive resources into fighting in the orient even when we were still being bombed by the Luftwaffe, the white cliffs of Dover were being shelled and the U-boats were starving us out, Australia had it easy in comparison. Churchill just voiced reality, that the US would do the majority of the fighting in the Pacific in the early years just as Britain would do the majority of fighting in Europe.
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. @ SirOrmonde ,there has been some links given as part of this discussion
Winston Churchill bad reputation with Australian is a fact
was it deserved ? that's another thing
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. @ SirOrmonde ,there has been some links given as part of this discussion
Winston Churchill bad reputation with Australian is a fact
was it deserved ? that's another thing
Well it depends whether you look at the whole context or just at Gallipoli I guess.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 05:50 AM   #60

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Regarding Churchill, the US Generals did not find him a very able strategist, too.
I recommend all of the interested to have a look at ' Masters and Commanders ' by Andrew Roberts, published by Harper Perennial, 2010, ISBN 978-0-06-122858-2.
The book not only contains the views of Alanbrooke but also of General Marshall and General Wedemeyer about Churchill. Quotes will be too long ! An excellent book, gives the reader a peep into the strategic planning of the allies in WW II on many campaigns.
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