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Old December 27th, 2017, 08:56 PM   #1

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Trashing historical figures?


Karl Popper's saying "Great men may make great mistakes" may be correct; then, there is a growing trend to trash historical figures because of their racist, sexist, or other attitudes that are not compatible with the current value system.
For example, a continuous attempt to purge names of historical figures with racist connections from public properties continue in Canada.
By extension, should we trash Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan simply for mass murders and massacres?
Why does the current trend happen?
How should we evaluate historical figures?
Floccinaucinihilipilification is too much a word; "trashing" is much more plain English.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 12:16 AM   #2

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I'm certain that no matter what the modern wreckers do, the names of those from the past they hate will live on, while these narrow and poisonous minded non entities will sink into the sewer from which they have emerged. Alexander the Great will always be great, while the likes of "Dolores Umbrage" will always be nothing.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 01:24 AM   #3

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By extension, should we trash Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan simply for mass murders and massacres?
Why does the current trend happen?
How should we evaluate historical figures?
Alexander the Great is not really trashed though. Maybe as of late there are more such examples , however throughout history he was praised as one of the greatest military commanders if not the greatest and Hellenism came to be thanks of his conquests. I'm sure that Alexander the Great will continue to be fascinating figure for future generations and inspire people like in the past to achieve great things ( Caesar , Napoleon , Hannibal and etc. admired him ).

Alexander really achieved his dream , he wanted have as much glory as his hero Achilles and be as famous. You could argue he achieved even more than he hoped for. Now even children know his name or heard of him. Makes him a real winner.
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Karl Popper's saying "Great men may make great mistakes" may be correct; then, there is a growing trend to trash historical figures because of their racist, sexist, or other attitudes that are not compatible with the current value system.
For example, a continuous attempt to purge names of historical figures with racist connections from public properties continue in Canada.
By extension, should we trash Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan simply for mass murders and massacres?
Why does the current trend happen?
How should we evaluate historical figures?
Floccinaucinihilipilification is too much a word; "trashing" is much more plain English.
From a point of view people that were as You state mass murderers, or killers, have been in a high regard they did not deserve. But then I think even some old sources were critical toward Alexander, Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible and their like. That people far back did not follow "modern standards" is another issue. There has been different ideas aboub what is "right behavior", and we could as well question wether the latest ideas are the ultimative right ones?
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Old December 28th, 2017, 03:00 AM   #5

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Can't fight the flow. Can't fight the tide. Wud be too tiring.

Alexander, Genghiz, whoever else, they're all long gone. Dead & buried in the dusts of time. If some folks wanna trash them, so what, wud it change anything that has happened due to them? Like, its not gonna send their spirits to hell, hades, valhalla, elysium fields or whatever, fifty six times faster or anything like that, is it?

And neither wud glorifying & worshipping them make then fly to heaven, paradiz, svarga or whatever, ninety seven times faster, wud it?

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Old December 28th, 2017, 03:16 AM   #6

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It's a political thing, it's the 1984 thing of controlling the past to control the present.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 03:18 AM   #7

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I think it's all to do with how history is recorded an reported. For instance, did Henry Ford actually say, "History is more or less bunk?" Follow this link for more details.

Henry Ford - Quote: "History Is Bunk" | Science 2.0

Did Admiral Yamamoto actually say after the raid on Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant, filled with terrible resolve".
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Did Admiral Yamamoto actually say after the raid on Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant, filled with terrible resolve".
His misfortune was that, nobody advised him, 'Let sleeping dogs lie'.
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My very own pet bloated over-inflated reputation .....Winston Churchill
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There was this one time, in the MP gents washroom of the British parliament building. Winston Churchill was there, at the urinal, peeing away for all he was worth. And then, in came James Callaghan, who also needed a pee, and he came there too, not too far away from Winston. They were arch rivals at the time, both fast rising MPs in their prime.

It was wide urinal, and Churchill moved away sideways fast, increasing his distance from Callaghan substantially. The man gave Winston a cold, withering look, and said, 'Now then, what in bloddy hell is up with ya?'

And Churchill said, 'Nothing, I'm just scared of ya'.

'Why?', Callaghan demanded.

'Becos I already know from previous experience that, anything I have that is bigger than yours, you wud want it too.'
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