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Old May 2nd, 2018, 10:48 AM   #1
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Question Official version of Stalin and 20th Century USSR


I stumbled across a book on Amazon called Blood Lies written by a guy wonderfully named Grover Furr!
The book from what I have researched (I've not bought it yet) is a revisionist look at the history of Stalin and the USSR where he claims to debunk a number of attrocities associated with Stalin and the USSR. Primarily this book aims to debunk the 2012 book by Timothy Snyder, Blood Lands.

I wondered if anyone had read either book or even considered the mainstream narrative against either Stalin or the Communist USSR a piece of superb propaganda?
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... considered the mainstream narrative against either Stalin or the Communist USSR a piece of superb propaganda?
Personally, no.

But maybe it's because I know too many people that lived in it and I saw communism at work.
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And what was their take on life during Stalin's reign?
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And what was their take on life during Stalin's reign?
It really depends to whom You are talking.

Firstly there was a quite sizeable difference between those from the URSS before the WW2 and those from the Warsaw Pact countries+territories englobed in URSS during/after the WW2. Which is quit logical, as a person born in the 1910-1920 (the oldest I met) didn't knew anything else than communism in the URSS while elsewhere they knew a different type of society.

Secondly, communism really was about social class. A person from a very poor background had his life improved. A person from a middle-class/upper class background had lost a lot, if not everything.

But I never met someone "from there" thinking that Stalin and his reign was good, thinking that what was known (or only "guessed"/"rumoured" at the time) wasn't true but "western propaganda". Purges were really extensive, and in URSS and in the Warsaw pact, and too many people knew someone that "moved to another city" suddenly, in the middle of the night.

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I stumbled across a book on Amazon called Blood Lies written by a guy wonderfully named Grover Furr!
The book from what I have researched (I've not bought it yet) is a revisionist look at the history of Stalin and the USSR where he claims to debunk a number of attrocities associated with Stalin and the USSR. Primarily this book aims to debunk the 2012 book by Timothy Snyder, Blood Lands.

I wondered if anyone had read either book or even considered the mainstream narrative against either Stalin or the Communist USSR a piece of superb propaganda?
Yesterday I downloaded the book by Furr and read a chapter about Katyn. Btw he has two or three more books about the lies connected with the USSR history.
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Stalin apologetics seems to be much less of an industry in the West than Nazi/Hitler apologetics (holocaust denial etc.): Grover Furr seems to be the closest thing to a historian who can be found nowadays among the tankies. I haven't read any of his books, but I've read one or two articles by him and he would seem to be a bit of a nutcase.
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I stumbled across a book on Amazon called Blood Lies written by a guy wonderfully named Grover Furr!
The book from what I have researched (I've not bought it yet) is a revisionist look at the history of Stalin and the USSR where he claims to debunk a number of attrocities associated with Stalin and the USSR. Primarily this book aims to debunk the 2012 book by Timothy Snyder, Blood Lands.

I wondered if anyone had read either book or even considered the mainstream narrative against either Stalin or the Communist USSR a piece of superb propaganda?
Grover Furr is famous guy. I don't know other Westerner that criticized western propaganda about Stalin. Some his speeches are in youtube, when not closed yet. There remains question would you be able to read it. It contradicts everything you've read, watched, heard before.
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Grover Furr is famous guy. I don't know other Westerner that criticized western propaganda about Stalin. Some his speeches are in youtube, when not closed yet. There remains question would you be able to read it. It contradicts everything you've read, watched, heard before.
In Italy Luciano Canfora and Domenico Losurdo are revisionist about Stalin, (his role as a great leader, the black legend associated with him), same with Ludo Martens.
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In Italy Luciano Canfora and Domenico Losurdo are revisionist about Stalin, (his role as a great leader, the black legend associated with him), same with Ludo Martens.
Fine, thanks.
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