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Old June 14th, 2018, 03:14 AM   #1

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US lost all wars since WWII?


According to the Documentary "Where to invade Next" US since their boom as superpower didn't win any war anymore .


Why so ?
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Old June 14th, 2018, 03:29 AM   #2
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According to the Documentary "Where to invade Next" US since their boom as superpower didn't win any war anymore .


Why so ?
Because it is not so. The major conflicts wit U.S. involvement after WWII were: Korean war/stalemate, Vietnam war/defeat, Iraq wars/victory. There were also many smaller wars/miltary operations, that were successfull(Grenada,Panama)

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Old June 14th, 2018, 03:35 AM   #3

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Ridiculous.

Since WWII, the USA has waged five full-blown wars by my count:

- Korea
- Vietnam
- Gulf War
- Afghanistan
- Iraq

Of these, only one (Vietnam) ended in clear-cut defeat. The Gulf War was undoubtedly a victory, and I would argue that Iraq counts as a victory too (albeit a highly Pyrrhic one). Korea was a draw at worst.

That's not counting the numerous lesser military interventions that didn't involve sizable numbers of "boots on the ground".

That documentary is bunkum.
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Old June 14th, 2018, 03:54 AM   #4

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They have won
Korea.
Grenada
Gulf War
Invasion of Afghanistan.
Invasion of Iraq.

They have lost
Vietnam.

Arguably you can say they lost a small battle in Somalia. But this was not part of a war.
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Where does the Cold War stand in this?
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Where does the Cold War stand in this?
That was less a war and more a name for the status of the world between the end of the second world war until the USSR collapse.
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Where does the Cold War stand in this?
A western victory.... but since it involved no actual war (some air skirmishes) and all its other combats were proxy wars in Asia or Africa or South America.
Id say its not counted on the list.
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Also NATO's war against Serbia in the 1990s should count as a US victory.


I'm not sure I would count Afghanistan or Iraq (2003) as victories given that we are still there with no end in sight and given that various US initiatives to define the post-war peace have proved difficult to implement such as making these countries into democracies, eradicating the poppy trade, education for girls, etc.


The documentary mentioned in the OP seems to making the argument that the US overly relies on military power to solve world problems and that the misuse of military power can be highly problematic. I support that general thesis, but the claim that the US has 'lost every war' of the last 70 years is an exageration.
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So basically US couldn't win any war since WWII ...

- Korea - didn't win
- Vietnam - didn't win
- Gulf War - required a second war and didn't win
- Afghanistan - didn't win
- Iraq - didn't win
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So basically US couldn't win any war since WWII ...

ull-blown wars by my count:

- Korea - didn't win
- Vietnam - didn't win
- Gulf War - required a second war and didn't win
- Afghanistan - didn't win
- Iraq - didn't win
you cannot be serious!

Korea was a stalemate after the Chinese intervened

Vietnam was a defeat yes

Gulf war was IMO the finest hour of modern combat

Afghanistan was in phase 1 a total victory, the occupation is a stalemate

Iraq war was a victory with phase 2 being a stalemate
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