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Old August 8th, 2011, 04:49 PM   #431

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The fact that the Copts still exist proves something , ye know
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The fact that the Copts still exist proves something , ye know

That the Grecoromans left something behind?
In other words that Egyptian genetic stock has changed?
That's what I am saying over the last 30 pages... And people still doubt me
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Old August 8th, 2011, 08:50 PM   #433

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The definition of nationality in the dictionary includes common language and customs;
+ self conscience(identity). I'd sai this is the most important. Of course, without language it loose most of the meaning. About customs: they could be hardly influenced by other peple, thus becoming not arab(for example), but neither original egipthian. In fact, greeks from 1821 have almost nothing, not even from homeric hellenes, but neither from bizantines.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #434

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1. + self conscience(identity). I'd sai this is the most important. Of course, without language it loose most of the meaning.
2. About customs: they could be hardly influenced by other peple, thus becoming not arab(for example), but neither original egipthian.
3. In fact, greeks from 1821 have almost nothing, not even from homeric hellenes, but neither from bizantines.
1. I agree with that.
2. Influence is one thing, but full erasing of the old customs and substituting new ones is something very different. Usually if there is cultural continuation the borrowed custom from somewhere else gets melted with the original custom and makes something different, but still recognizable. Like, in Romania, the "mamaliga" is a definite culinary form of the Roman wheat porridge, even though it's made with corn flour, which was not used by the Romans, since maize came in European in like 16 century, If I'm not mistaken, it's after-Columbian event anyway. So, the main form, the wheat porridge, is Roman, and the use of corn flour is a later influence; but one can still see the Roman custom under the later influence. It's very signficant that only in Italy and Romania polenta and mamaliga are still very popular and in use, and not say, in France or Bulgaria. After all, the Italians and the Romanians are the direct inheritors of the Romans, this is seen both in language and in some customs; the cultural continuation is not as strong as in Greece or China /since one cannot read Latin with only the knowledge of Romanian or Italian/, but still exists.

3. I disagree with that - there is much ancient Greek philosophy in Cristianity, in the works of the Byzantine theologians, for one - much talk about "Logos", in a very Platonian sense. I posted a study on the Greek cultural continuation in one of my posts to Gauda. There is clear cultural continuation, in language and mores, ideals, etc.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 02:27 AM   #435

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In that case, it applies to everyone too. There are no continuations of ancient civilizations, states, etc. because culture has changed. I've already proven that language is irrelevant- there is no correlation with nationhood titles with language or linguistic similarity, the correlation is with geo-political units. Since the Greeks don't have siimlar cultural practices today than 500 CE, there is no continuity between them either.
Cultural practices may change, ethnic identity not necessarily.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 02:32 AM   #436

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+ self conscience(identity). I'd sai this is the most important. Of course, without language it loose most of the meaning. About customs: they could be hardly influenced by other peple, thus becoming not arab(for example), but neither original egipthian. In fact, greeks from 1821 have almost nothing, not even from homeric hellenes, but neither from bizantines.
Greek culture of 1821 is basically Byzantine. As for the ancient customs, at least those who were preserved during the Byzantine era, still exist in the villages.
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I also see no evidence/reason to believe that a densely agrarian society like the Egyptians had less people than the trading/mercantile societies of Greek mainland. As such, i am not convinced that the world has ever seen more Greeks than Egyptians in simple population numbers.
Who said that there were Greeks only in Greek mainland? There were the islands and Asia Minor as well, which sometime within the Roman period overpassed the Greek mainland in terms of Greek population.
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It is technically impossible to quote from google books, since there is no text to copy from. You can only read it.... You think I did not want to copy it?????
You can manually write it down,word for word.Then you simple write the page number.
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You can manually write it down,word for word.Then you simple write the page number.
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That takes a lot of time....
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That takes a lot of time....
Time to get scribing Thessalonian
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