baley

WHO THINKS THAT EVE IS TO BE BLAMED FOR US TO BE HERE RIGHT NOW??!!! IM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE BIBLE AND TOHRA BUT ID LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY SAYAND IF SHES AT FAULT.

DigitusImpudicus

The Adam and Eve story is religious allegory, not history.

BTW, why do captialize your posts? In internet conversation, that is the equivalent of shouting at people.

We're right here; no need to shout.

Chris--

baley

WOW,hey you dont want to talk about the subject,just dont.
you should have noticed that all of the post was captilized,didnt it just occur to you that only the keyboard was on caps lock!!!!
there is nothing in my post that is offensive or disrespectfull to anyone,its only a subject that id like to know other peoples opinions.
You have a double standard if someone captilizes their post its shouting ,but the way you replied wasnt?!!!
and i have to disagree with you ,Adam and Eve are part of history ,for gods sake they are the first people on the face of earth.

Nick

Where's your proof?
There never was a "first man", we're the product of millions of years of evolution.
Don't believe me? Look at the people around you. Some look more ape-like than others.

Lucius

Hello Baley,

I'm not sure what you mean by asking WHO THINKS THAT EVE IS TO BE BLAMED FOR US TO BE HERE RIGHT NOW??!!!

Here is Genesis 3 of the Torah in English

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et0103.htm

I think that by your use of the word BLAMED and FAULT, you're asking if Eve did something wrong. I don't know about Judaism. There are many denominations of Christianity and they disagree about the interpretation of different parts of Scripture.

As you see from v.6, Adam was there with her at the time. If he had anything to say then, it is not recorded. My own thought on the matter is that they did discuss the idea first, and decided that Eve would eat first.
So, any "blame" would be on both equally.

But as someone pointed out, one should concern himself more with his own behavior than that of others.

If you want to find out what Christians believe, you should go to a church and ask the minister there your questions. I'm sure he will receive you warmly, BUT ONLY IF YOU DON'T SHOUT AT HIM!!!

(Yes, in internet conversation, typing in all caps signifies shouting. It took me a while to accept that. I was misunderstood by many people. They didn't all want to change their way of thinking and be like me. It's not fair. But life's not fair. Typing in all caps on message boards signifies shouting all over the whole world - unless perhaps there are message boards for people who type in all caps as normal conversation - but I'm not aware of any.)

(BTW is normally typed in all caps to signify that it is an acronym for "by the way" - meaning, "incidentally" - sometimes it is rendered as "btw". In either case, it is meant to be understood as an acronym and no shouting is implied.)

baley

I myself agree that eve and adam both ate from the tree and both asked god forgivness after that. as for who ate first i really dont know ,i have some insight of the[ koran] ,and what it said is that the devil suduced them and told them the reason god doesnt want you to eat from the tree is because that tree lets you live forever and makes you gods,so ofcourse they were tempted,after they ate from it they realized that the devil deceived them .after that god forgave them but sent both to earth .[Nick thats where i get the idea that Adam and Eve are the first[people] on earth.
Nowhere in the[ koran] not even once does it say that eve ate from it alone [and yes ,some people think that],nor that she ate first.
when i asked the question i never said that eve is at blame ,my intention was to ask how you feel about people saying that ,because we all know that some people say that and actually believe it.
and what rose my question was a post about eve saying[ if it wasnt for her adam would still be in paradise ]from another discussion board ,im sure that person knows who he is..
I appreciate and respect you telling me that capitilizing is a big no-no ,i didnt know that ,but you still beleive that im shouting ,im really not ,and for you to imply that i would yell at a preist or disrespect anyone else for that matter is an assumtion you made because you misunderstood my intentions and my question ,but like you said life isnt fair and never will be!!
So no hard feelings every body.
I rephrase my question:
How do feel when someone says that Eve is the reason that adam was kicked out of heaven[paridise]??becuase god knows that ive heard that couple a hundred times ,and growing pretty sick of it!!

Dr Realism

While I do believe that God created the world, I do accept that many of the older stories of the bible are probably somewhat mythical. It's kind of hard to accept that someone could actually know and write about what was going on in the very beginning of humanity. Afterall, who was watching Adam and Eve and writing it all down? I think the whole story about woman being the reason that life sucks was probably just another method of justifying things such as male dominance, the menstral cycle, and labor pain.

Cunedda

Just to re-state what I had written in a previous post:
"Logiclly, if we started out with Adam and Eve...wouldn't our genes be useless after a couple of generations of in-breading?"

Although I do beleave that God created the world and the univers, I can't ignore the fact that if Adam and Eve were the first two people then their children would have to mate with eachother to produce offspring.

I know they had Cain and Able...but dose the bible say if they had any daughters?? Just asking because I don't know.

Baley - don't get me wrong. I think that it is great that you beleave in Creationism. If thats what you think happened, then more power to you. But for me, Evolution just makes more sence.

But in responce to your question, I would have to agree with what Dr. Realism said. In my opinion, it was put there "to keep women in their place" in a male orianted world. (sorry if this sounds offensive, just didn't know how else to word it)

DigitusImpudicus

Your post is filled with assumptions.

If I didn't want to talk about the subject, I wouldn't. You are presenting religious allegory as if Eve is a historical figure to be "blamed". You go on to say you are unfamiliar with the Bible, so I was just answering your question. Many Christian scholars accept that the story of Adam and Eve is allegorical. Nor did I say anywhere that the content of your post is offensive or disrespectful.

Next, you assume that because I inform you that, in internet discussion, all caps is the equivalent of shouting, that I am shouting at you. You're wrong. I'm not. I was just informing you of basic net etiquette.

From the tone and content of your posts, I assume that you are either quite young or new to internet discussions, or both. Certainly if you post without noticing that your caps lock is on, that suggests you are fairly new to a keyboard.

Keep this in mind. In this medium, the only thing we know about each other is what's written on the screen. If you ask poorly formed questions in all caps using writing that's filled with grammar and spelling errors, you will be perceived as sloppy and uneducated, even if that's not true.

I try to think about what I'm writing and review it before hitting that submit button. If my ideas are poorly formed or my writing is not communicating what I want it to, I feel that is not being respectful of my fellow forum members. Sometimes I'll rewrite it or even scrap it.

Chris--

baley

Thanks for the advice ,if harsh critisizim is the only way to learn ,so let it be .
no one was born a genius and learning comes from experience,the good and the bad.